tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post3803062079462518246..comments2024-02-26T02:02:51.364-05:00Comments on Queers United: Companies to Boycott Over Prop 8!Queers Unitedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-46124735878320642472009-04-06T22:26:00.000-04:002009-04-06T22:26:00.000-04:00can't we all start referring to it as "civil marri...can't we all start referring to it as "civil marriage" (The catholic church came up with the term, btw) to make the point clearer?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-65085388640342235462009-03-21T04:51:00.000-04:002009-03-21T04:51:00.000-04:00If you have explain to someone that there is a dif...If you have explain to someone that there is a difference between having an open dialogue about marriage equality AND taking rights away from people, that person is not worth your time. Let's back to this: No gay money for antigay bigots. Thanks, QU for posting this list and any updates.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-20484952450524119942009-03-20T11:08:00.000-04:002009-03-20T11:08:00.000-04:00Just re-hashing this thread for those who haven't ...Just re-hashing this thread for those who haven't seen it.Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-33836776818009837142009-03-03T17:14:00.000-05:002009-03-03T17:14:00.000-05:00getting back to the list itself:I'm amazed at how ...getting back to the list itself:<BR/>I'm amazed at how many bigot dentists there are...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-66291073967878657682009-02-20T20:11:00.000-05:002009-02-20T20:11:00.000-05:00I was at the airport a while back, and saw a book....I was at the airport a while back, and saw a book. A neatly compiled listing of all the companies that supported Focus on the Family(a very ANTI-gay organization). Now, Focus on the Family donates to many anti-gay causes...even Yes on Prop 8. With that said, those companies obviously have an agenda that they are supporting and may be contributing to other ANTI-gay causes and organizations. I didn't buy the book I saw at the airport at that time; However, I am actively pursuing a copy now. Shannon made me realize that I don't want to support people that believe in(and actively try to leagally enforce) discrimination.<BR/><BR/>I have some friends that do not believe in gay equality. This doens't mean that I can't be their friend, it simply means we disagree. However, I'm certainly not going to give them money that they will use to support a cause that discriminates against me. I don't hate my friend,...I just love me enough to fight for what I believe in. Besides, I have to right to spend my money where-ever I choose.<BR/><BR/>So, I believe the best thing to do is go to the source. If corp A donates to ORG B, and ORG B supports CAUSE C(who is historically anti-gay), then don't shop with CORP A or ORG B. Those places are all the sources of funding. It makes sense. And Shannon, please understand that we(a majority of us anyway) don't hate these places, we just have to support ourselves and protect ourselves from those out to hurt us(like Prop 8).<BR/><BR/>I'm not going to post again, I just wanted to sound out my thought son the matter and this is what it is.<BR/><BR/>Best wishes,<BR/><BR/>BWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-20968567815126550282009-02-13T16:50:00.000-05:002009-02-13T16:50:00.000-05:00Defending oneself against hate is not hate. It jus...Defending oneself against hate is not hate. It just isn't. <BR/><BR/>Why in the world would I want to give $$ to people who will turn around and use it to prevent me from marrying?? There is nothing wrong with this list. As a matter of fact, thank God for it...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-720069887542472272009-02-13T14:03:00.000-05:002009-02-13T14:03:00.000-05:00Boycotts cut both ways. Everyone has access to the...Boycotts cut both ways. Everyone has access to the Gay Yellow Pages, too. I think LGBT supporters and members need to think before they get involved in an anti-hetertosexual campaign.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-46908766667062187272009-02-12T15:16:00.000-05:002009-02-12T15:16:00.000-05:00Ooooh, and BTW, where's the master-list of compani...Ooooh, and BTW, where's the master-list of companies to avoid doing business with because of their anti-LGBTQ policies?<BR/><BR/>I know Exxon/Mobil and Wal*Mart are on that list but, who else?Peter C. Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03253275093865817890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-67788878789064499392009-02-12T15:15:00.000-05:002009-02-12T15:15:00.000-05:00Oooooh this is fun. I'm liking Shannon. He does ha...Oooooh this is fun. I'm liking Shannon. He does have a point, but it's not the one that he thinks he has....Peter C. Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03253275093865817890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-89994079778947955932009-01-30T13:16:00.000-05:002009-01-30T13:16:00.000-05:00LOL "all men are free to marry a woman" is like pa...LOL "all men are free to marry a woman" is like passing a law that says "everyone is free to worship Jesus any way they like, but not anyone else"... it applies equally to everyone, so where's the problem?<BR/><BR/>The problem is that Muslims and pagans, etc, are not free to worship Jesus without denying part of who they are.<BR/><BR/>Likewise, gay men are not actually "free" to marry women without denying their sexuality. <BR/><BR/>The other way to point out your fallacy goes like this:<BR/><BR/>A man and a woman are each interested in a third person... one of them is allowed to marry that person and the other isn't... the only difference between them is their sex/gender. How is that not gender discrimination? <BR/><BR/>How is that not exactly like your example of interracial marriage where a black man and a white man each want to marry a woman, but one can and one can't, and the only difference between them is race?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-76687510029874008572009-01-09T11:20:00.000-05:002009-01-09T11:20:00.000-05:00Marriage is a religious institution…respect it for...Marriage is a religious institution…respect it for anyone with any one or get rid of it all together. Civil unions for everyone.<BR/>My wife and I are considering divorce out of solidarity for our gay brothers and sisters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-47891562720217671742008-12-27T22:48:00.000-05:002008-12-27T22:48:00.000-05:00Last I checked, anyone in CA could get married, as...Last I checked, anyone in CA could get married, as long as they followed the rules regarding marrying a member of the opposite sex. So, what right was taken away?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-90219643299030055032008-12-21T02:17:00.000-05:002008-12-21T02:17:00.000-05:00Cal Net Technology and it's owner Zach Schuler are...Cal Net Technology and it's owner Zach Schuler are SUPER prop 8 supporters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-70966124388388541682008-12-03T03:44:00.000-05:002008-12-03T03:44:00.000-05:00I found this link, and had hoped to find a neatly ...I found this link, and had hoped to find a neatly prepared list of companies that we could, as a group, boycott to show our displeasure with their choice and persuade them to spend their money more wisely. Instead, what I find is a board of "rants and raves" against each other. Are we fighting for the same cause? If so, let's get some organization here, and compile an accurate list of organizations that supported Prop 8.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-49584392107216955402008-11-28T20:46:00.000-05:002008-11-28T20:46:00.000-05:00Unfortunately the federal government does not agre...Unfortunately the federal government does not agree with the above post. As a gay man, I have NO right to get married. If I were to marry a female, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement would define it as a fraudulent, 'sham' marriage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-83202664049257709922008-11-28T20:42:00.000-05:002008-11-28T20:42:00.000-05:00"Far from choosing not to do business with those w..."Far from choosing not to do business with those with whom you disagree, many gays are actively disrupting businesses with picketing, vandalism and intimidation. What's your justification for that?"<BR/><BR/>If I'm being attacked, I'm going to attack back. It's called self-defense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-88663589452682394762008-11-24T12:47:00.000-05:002008-11-24T12:47:00.000-05:00tara-please share that list with us whenever you c...tara-please share that list with us whenever you compile it.<BR/><BR/>anon-i think the slippery slope argument is silly, marriage is the union of 2 people, so whether it is a man-woman, man-man, woman-woman, it is still two people which doesn't anymore open the door for polygamy.Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-3958840437259543662008-11-24T07:44:00.000-05:002008-11-24T07:44:00.000-05:00It's very important to keep the discussion open wi...It's very important to keep the discussion open with all the Shanons out there. She is just as hard-headed as we are. Yelling "bigot" does nothing to encourage someone to change their mind (remember caucusing?) <BR/><BR/>When Shannon says we already have civil unions and should be content with that, she should be reminded that black and white drinking fountains look just the same as well. No one is trying to change the definition of marriage. Just make it more inclusive. The slippery slope argument about polygamists and incestuous relationships is just avoiding the issue at hand, but it does show us that she equates gay relationships to these other groups. <BR/><BR/>For us, it is unfathomable to punish children with gay parents by not allowing the parents to marry all because a word in the dictionary might have a wider meaning. <BR/><BR/>It appears that most of the population is made up of Shannons, who are certain that they are protecting something sacred; something unchanged for millennia. But of course, marriage has been in constant change for all of that time, or maybe it hasn't... Perhaps Shannon will have to acquire a sizable dowry before any marriage on her part could be considered. <BR/><BR/>She needs to look inside of herself, examine these beliefs and then decide if they really represent the good she thinks she is doing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-66478293927671594132008-11-24T02:47:00.000-05:002008-11-24T02:47:00.000-05:00arg! enough with Shannon..I'm compiling a list of...arg! enough with Shannon..<BR/><BR/>I'm compiling a list of donors in my town....if they own a business they are going to get no business from me.Taradharmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17665801586196931603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-54666156024101538662008-11-21T23:55:00.000-05:002008-11-21T23:55:00.000-05:00QU - I know you didn't refer to me as a bigot. But...QU - I know you didn't refer to me as a bigot. But just about everybody else that posted did. I did want to get back to the whole reason I posted to begin with, which was to point out that it is unfair and hateful to protest people who had nothing to do with the Prop 8 vote(like Bill Marriott). And if the roles were reversed and Prop 8 had not passed, and we had started creating blacklists and protesting those who had contributed to the NO on 8 campaign(regardless of whether they are gay or straight), you guys would be decrying us as haters and bigots.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-9318746080499040582008-11-21T23:20:00.000-05:002008-11-21T23:20:00.000-05:00Shannon - I don't believe I ever referred to you a...Shannon - I don't believe I ever referred to you as a bigot. I often find common ground with people when they come up with logical ideas.Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-88967356555639434612008-11-21T23:11:00.000-05:002008-11-21T23:11:00.000-05:00It's good to see that you are at least consistent ...It's good to see that you are at least consistent in your views. I bet you never thought you would find some common ground with a "bigot".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-10120379698155410022008-11-21T22:53:00.000-05:002008-11-21T22:53:00.000-05:00Shannon - I am fine with federal civil unions only...Shannon - I am fine with federal civil unions only for gay and lesbian couples, but that means no marriage for heterosexual couples either. We all get civil unionized, fine.<BR/><BR/>Some asexuals want to get married some don't, marriage equality is about having the right to marry the person you love or not to marry anyone if you don't want to. I also don't want single people to be lacking any benefits and yes I support people who are polyamorous and believe in group marriage if that makes people happy.Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-89990009488464421662008-11-21T22:49:00.000-05:002008-11-21T22:49:00.000-05:00QU - I don't really have an agenda, but you guys c...QU - I don't really have an agenda, but you guys certainly do. And wouldn't trying to overturn something that the majority of the people voted for be considered forcing one's agenda? <BR/>You've only asked me twice(but hey, who's counting?), and I think I answered your question pretty clearly. In fact, I am surprised that you even suggested something that goes so against your strong beliefs of everyone being equal(so in case that wasn't clear, I don't think your idea is a good one). But, I'll explain my position AGAIN. I would like to keep the traditional definition of marriage. But, if I could choose, I would make it so that marriage was not used at all as a means of determining benefits at the state or federal level. Everyone would have a civil union because that is fair and equal.<BR/>Now I have a question for you. It seems that even your definition of marriage would still exclude some people. What about the asexuals that don't want to get married? Why are they discriminated against by the government(in terms of receiving tax breaks, etc) just because they don't have the desire to marry someone. In fact, marriage in general discriminates against all single people. And why? Just because they are single. How unfair! And what about polygamous relationships? What if three people love each other? Are you including them in your fight for the "basic right" to marry?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-84865830061186023502008-11-21T21:57:00.000-05:002008-11-21T21:57:00.000-05:00I don't delete your posts because you are entitled...I don't delete your posts because you are entitled to your opinion, just not entitled to the right to force your agenda on us and to destroy the constitution.<BR/><BR/>As for being threatened by your points, that is laughable.<BR/><BR/>I will ask your for the third time, how about we get marriage and you get civil unions, its the same thing straight people, why do you want special rights?Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.com