tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post4284480294104671346..comments2024-02-26T02:02:51.364-05:00Comments on Queers United: Open Forum: LGBTQAIZ5123?Queers Unitedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-4714833184496399962009-09-03T13:01:10.206-04:002009-09-03T13:01:10.206-04:00"(Society for) Gender Freedom". Short, a..."(Society for) Gender Freedom". Short, accurate and ends with "freedom". I wonder why no one has thought of this before.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-86405758492025501812009-08-10T19:35:18.387-04:002009-08-10T19:35:18.387-04:00My favorite term is "gender and sexual minori...My favorite term is "gender and sexual minority community." I think it is perfectly descriptive and open-ended enough to include everyone now and going forward. I know it's not as handy as an acronym, but many other minority communities have made it into the modern media world just fine with a long name. [Foreign Country}-American Community, anyone? <br /><br />On days when I'm feeling flip I say GBLT and I pronounce it giblet, as in giblet gravy. :)<br /><br />On days when I'm trying to discuss the broadening of the umbrella, I use GLBTQ2IA2.Thalassahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14082743557723235940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-88520333254394219872009-08-07T13:31:36.581-04:002009-08-07T13:31:36.581-04:00Wow. They're just letters, I don't see how...Wow. They're just letters, I don't see how the order in which they're placed has any bearing on their "importance." I think what really matters is that they're arranged in an order than can roll off of the tongue. I personally think everything is covered in just GBT, in that "gay" covers everyone with an exclusive attraction to the same sex, "bi" covers all those with a bisexual orientation, and "trans-" includes mtfs, ftms and everyone in between. It's not that it needs more letters, it's that it needs a standard order that people can use and recognize.<br /><br />Adding more letters isn't going to help anyone. It's just going to cause confusion. Consistency looks good, constant rearrangement might make it seem like we're almost "unsure" of what we're actually trying to achieve. And that's the last thing we want.Hedohttp://www.mrhedonist.com/about.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-18250328316000249202009-08-04T11:16:56.045-04:002009-08-04T11:16:56.045-04:00Some people dislike labels. I'm fine with them...Some people dislike labels. I'm fine with them myself.<br /><br />I'm gay. And if you want to use "Queer" as an umbrella term, I'll answer to that too. Or to various alphabet soups.<br /><br />There are broader questions, such as, to what extent are the groups interrelated? To what extent do we have the same struggle? That's complicated, but I'm willing to work with anyone oppressed. If it's not my struggle, I'll make it mine. (Fine words. I'd better live up them now.)<br /><br />And to the idiot who said bisexual people don't exist: grow up.<br /><br />TRiG.TRiGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12252536592916793907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-46616950737881212092009-08-03T12:55:13.264-04:002009-08-03T12:55:13.264-04:00Goose: Two Spirits might be a reference to having...Goose: Two Spirits might be a reference to having both genitalia, or identifying as both male and female at the same time... Kind of confusing, but I think it derives from Native American traditions. Or possibly the Japanese term "Futa", There is a line of fetish animehentai called "Futanari" which is usually a girl with a male part... X.X<br /><br />Not really my thing, but its hard to avoid knowing this stuff when you are a full fledged anime addict XD<br /><br />~Celeste~Mewihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07372597671450218716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-79797626746232036132009-08-03T12:46:46.711-04:002009-08-03T12:46:46.711-04:00Anonymous = homophobia? You accuse others of bein...Anonymous = homophobia? You accuse others of being biphobic yet pretty much make intolerant speeches against homosexuals as a general?<br /><br />Anyway on topic,<br /><br />Asexual: Is there really a need to add asexual here? I mean, if they are dating someone and can date one gender or the other, doesn't that make them bisexual? Or if they only date female, that makes them lesbian? Should it really be that important what they do... or in this case, don't do.. in bed? After all is being Lesbian, gay, bisexual really just about sex?<br /><br />Intersex: I think may be a bit more complicated but I think in the end... Most people who are intersex and have the proper preferred assigned gender wouldn't identify as "intersex"... Wheras the ones with the incorrect assigned gender would, and would seek very similar medical treatments a transsexual would. So wouldn't "intersex" to that respect, fall under the "transgender" category?<br /><br />Q: Sure we all were at this "Q" stage, do we need a label for it though? Maybe, I'm not sure about this one...<br /><br />~Celeste~Mewihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07372597671450218716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-78858620849963193922009-08-03T02:07:27.517-04:002009-08-03T02:07:27.517-04:00I'm bisexual. I really don't give a damn ...I'm bisexual. I really don't give a damn if you include us in your little acronym or not. Everyone else is just stuck on after the LG or the GL so that homosexuals can convince themselves they're open-minded. Sorry, some of us know better. The way that both homosexuals and heterosexuals seem to think that their "belief" in bisexuals is required for us to exist is pure bullshit, and in the case of homosexuals, pure hypocrisy. We are not the tooth fairy; your belief in us is not required for us to exist. We exist, whether you like it or not, whether you understand us or not, whether you choose to believe it or not. You may be confused about who we are, but that doesn't mean that we're confused. I know who I am, and I'm not gay or straight, and I'm not half one and half the other. I am bisexual, and I'd rather use the whole word than have the initial stuck into someone else's acronym as lip service.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-74416894374265619402009-08-02T05:23:08.509-04:002009-08-02T05:23:08.509-04:00uhm Sask, just for my own curiousity... which norm...uhm Sask, just for my own curiousity... which norm don't you think they fight? the one that says people can only be attracted to the opposite sex, or the the one that says you can only be attracted to one? or maybe the norm that says that there are only two? something to think about.Noxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-91996573326358647002009-08-02T00:39:35.666-04:002009-08-02T00:39:35.666-04:00GL. Don't believe in Bi (people who aren't...GL. Don't believe in Bi (people who aren't strong enough to fight what they are told is the norm) and the rest. ACK. Gay and Lesbian. The end.Saskplannernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-81815741529403418172009-08-01T20:24:19.107-04:002009-08-01T20:24:19.107-04:00I tend to use queer in it's dictionary meaning...I tend to use queer in it's dictionary meaning... unusual/uncommon. and I feel it pretty well fits the whole of the categories (being applied to sex and gender), even allies to an extent (though I hedge that bet and use queer allies). But I only think it's useful when speaking about the collective group. each individual group also has some of it's own specific concerns, and i've always felt that those are best addressed individually, but there is plenty of crossover, so the super group for me is "Queer".<br /><br />PS. I once tallied up any letters I could find and found that I fit in about a third of them, and plenty of labels to boot =PNoxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-78978072508627821162009-08-01T17:05:32.687-04:002009-08-01T17:05:32.687-04:00lib there are 2 types of queer. queer as an umbre...lib there are 2 types of queer. queer as an umbrella term for LGBTIA and queer as an actual identity for one who does not fall into LGBTIA but rather has fluid sexual/gender identity.Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-49282260220074737612009-08-01T16:56:55.516-04:002009-08-01T16:56:55.516-04:00The word queer includes all lesbian, gay, bi, and ...The word queer includes all lesbian, gay, bi, and trans people. Adding it to the longer acronym is redundant.libhomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05537213558568338561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-21758301199200212512009-08-01T15:45:17.121-04:002009-08-01T15:45:17.121-04:00I've been thinking about it for a long time. F...I've been thinking about it for a long time. For me, 'queer' sums it all up nicely, as in 'unusual' (where I mean 'usual' as monogamous heterosexual cisgender, which is, I suppose, the most common, 'traditional' lifestyle for the countries of european/american culture, or at least presented as such). I'm polyamorous pansexual bigender, and actually prefer to call myself 'queer' because everything else is too long and needs too much explaining. <br />For me, and queer rights movement is about the right of every person to be taken for whatever they are, and not be forced to be whatever other people think 'right'. So, I think 'queer' can include anyone - people of any sexual orientation, gender identity and relationship lifestyle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-44494534045039337312009-08-01T09:02:42.292-04:002009-08-01T09:02:42.292-04:00Adriana I tend to think of sexual fluidity falling...Adriana I tend to think of sexual fluidity falling under queer, since queer eschews being boxed into a category it would seem someone whose sexual/gender identity changes would not want to be labeled either. I don't think the term can be an umbrella term since many are not fluid in their orientation. I am still a fan of queer as an umbrella term but think we need some other words too.Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-23730395451298933362009-08-01T08:22:45.613-04:002009-08-01T08:22:45.613-04:00GDad, I like your solutions. Two Spirits is a term...GDad, I like your solutions. Two Spirits is a term in many Native American cultures - it can be pretty loose but tends to include trans as well as bisexual, and is very respected in most tribes as someone with special gifts.<br /><br />What does anyone think about the term "sexually fluid?" Not sure it works as a name for the community, but I like its inclusiveness, personally.<br /><br />Adriana KraftAdrianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01628092657976031124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-1170568015788580592008-06-23T14:39:00.000-04:002008-06-23T14:39:00.000-04:00Zoe & GDad you make a good point that we all share...Zoe & GDad you make a good point that we all share in common that the same people beat up on us. I also think though there are some other intersections between our struggles. Coming to terms with our identities, coming out of the closet, and many of the same rights or general acceptance from society.Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-90389814601964160692008-06-23T14:34:00.000-04:002008-06-23T14:34:00.000-04:00Zoe Brain really got it. The community is a group...Zoe Brain really got it. The community is a group whose "only similarity is that the same kind of people beat them up."<BR/><BR/>When I was in college, I was an officer in an organization that started off as the Gay Alliance, turned into the Gay and Lesbian Alliance (GALA) before I joined, became BGALA during my tenure, and became much longer since.Not Importanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18307127026012212518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-66462655065652772652008-06-23T12:30:00.000-04:002008-06-23T12:30:00.000-04:00I don't mind what it's called, but if it gets too ...I don't mind what it's called, but if it gets too long, I'm going to call it the, "Alphabet Community."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-77048015244671977022008-06-23T00:54:00.000-04:002008-06-23T00:54:00.000-04:00We need to respect all people and variations, howe...We need to respect all people and variations, however if we add a letter for all people, we will wind up with an acronym that no one can remeber. My vote is to leave it as GLBT and make sure all are included in our efforts to gain equality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-3258498756130159532008-06-22T19:42:00.000-04:002008-06-22T19:42:00.000-04:00The problem is that we are conflating completely d...The problem is that we are conflating completely different issues - like having a conglomerate of Jews, Blacks, and Gays, whose only similarity is that the same kind of people beat them up.<BR/>Throw one group under the bus though, and we hurt our own - the Gay Black Jew for example, as some of us are under more than one category.<BR/><BR/>I'm straight, intersexed, and with a transsexual past (as do all those with 5ARD or 17BHDD, people whose Intersex condition gives them a "natural sex change").<BR/><BR/>Queer? Not really, rather a vanilla conventional staid and straight woman with a <B>really</B> unusual endocrine system and an even more interesting past.<BR/><BR/>BTW, 5ARD etc give an FtoM change, I have a rare one which does the reverse.Zoe Brainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13712045376060102538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-54368582873376605212008-06-22T19:16:00.000-04:002008-06-22T19:16:00.000-04:00On my blog and in comments I leave, I always mix u...On my blog and in comments I leave, I always mix up the letters and put (etc.) at the end. So, TGBLQ(etc.).Not Importanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18307127026012212518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-85882528039156622902008-06-22T12:25:00.000-04:002008-06-22T12:25:00.000-04:00can you spell h-e-a-d-a-c-h-e, lol.maybe we'll giv...can you spell h-e-a-d-a-c-h-e, lol.<BR/>maybe we'll give the straighters a big fat one by trying to keep up with all our titles and labels -<BR/><BR/>they'll surrender - giv'em what they want!Miss Vickihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04141212355174975322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-30555555434283391732008-06-21T10:45:00.000-04:002008-06-21T10:45:00.000-04:00ABCDEFGI don't know how I feel about it all. Quee...ABCDEFG<BR/>I don't know how I feel about it all. Queer seems to sum up a great deal of it, but if you saw me on the street you'd probably not think I coded queer, but rather relatively vanilla straight. Is queer more of a coded identity or action or is it any of us that just don't quite fit the norm?<BR/>What the heck is two spirits? I"ve never heard of that.<BR/>Interesting topic.Goosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17963775591431792688noreply@blogger.com