tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post6356605799691596..comments2024-02-26T02:02:51.364-05:00Comments on Queers United: Activist Tip: Reversing Anti-Gay "Christian" Talking PointsQueers Unitedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-68257393784466549382009-10-20T01:25:24.005-04:002009-10-20T01:25:24.005-04:001. Homosexual feelings, attraction, and behavior a...1. Homosexual feelings, attraction, and behavior are all perfectly natural.<br />2. Monotheism is not.<br /><br />Why bother defending Nature from a book of lies?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-1590020123036024112009-10-19T11:11:30.605-04:002009-10-19T11:11:30.605-04:00Brian is a buzzkill. Must be a lot of fun at a ra...Brian is a buzzkill. Must be a lot of fun at a rave. And he needs his own blog. You made your point. Now move on. The comments section isn't your personal soap box. Thank you and good night.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-91923158043786405042009-10-19T10:13:22.331-04:002009-10-19T10:13:22.331-04:00Very deep debates here. I also missed this and sel...Very deep debates here. I also missed this and self-promotion Sunday. <br /><br />Plug, Plug, Plug...<br />The Nonconformist<br />http://tothewisdomplace.blogspot.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-64758038079762884712009-10-19T00:06:49.773-04:002009-10-19T00:06:49.773-04:00Interesting that everyone on here seems to think t...Interesting that everyone on here seems to think that God has a penis. I'm so sick of the use of all these masculine pronouns to refer to a supreme being.<br /><br />All you Bible thumpers, don't bother pointing out any probably mistranslated "scriptural" references to support your beliefs that God has a johnson. I really don't give a big f**k. Your scriptures carry no weight with me, as I have made different belief choices.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-53619761019396125552009-10-18T19:53:51.021-04:002009-10-18T19:53:51.021-04:00I'm sorry I missed this, and glad you bumped i...I'm sorry I missed this, and glad you bumped it up. I use the religion as lifestyle choice one all the time. Among other things, I like to point out that I have been ex-Christian for 13 years, and then ask them if this means I should go work to deny them their civil rights, since my life proves that they can change their behavior.<br /><br />Looks like you attracted some real winners in the comments, too. Nothing like willful ignorance, eh?CrackerLilohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18176388186521154104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-50857848578981897542009-10-18T13:34:16.869-04:002009-10-18T13:34:16.869-04:00just bumping up an old post i made for new readers...just bumping up an old post i made for new readersQueers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-70212698284211197432009-06-03T14:05:24.965-04:002009-06-03T14:05:24.965-04:00@christian magazine, gay Christians, worship a liv...@christian magazine, gay Christians, worship a living God, not a static book. A book by the way that is a book made up of many books that a council of Catholic leaders who were trying to bring a religion together so that all thought, practice and belief could be controlled by this council and it's heirs instead of the myriad beliefs and forms of worship that were being practiced as Christianity at the time.<br />Unfortunately they did not see that one of the consequences of their actions would be that God speaks to all people in the ways they, personally understand best, and that by including the laws of an ancient theocracy, it would be taken as a model for government 5000 years later. If nothing else, demanding that all believe one way and one way alone, they managed to create more war, more anger, more hate and more injustice in this world than any other belief system in the world. Just check your history on that one.<br />Jesus himself told us to see God as living and ever revealing truth, that is why they have the Talmud as well as the ancient texts. The Talmud reinterprets the ancient laws to show a living ever revealing God. <br />I can and have chosen to follow Jesus, and because of this, he has shown me how wonderfully made I am in all my gayness. When I was merely following a church and a static book, there was no love in me, no hope and only fear. He showed me I never chose to be gay, but should accept it for the gift it is.<br />Perfect love casts out fear, perfect love gives and receives love freely and sees all humans as being worthy of love. I do not see much perfect love in organized religion. I see much fear, much hate and much oppression.<br />We are commanded to worship in spirit and in truth, to love God with all our hearts and mind and to do unto others as we would have others do unto us. How would it feel to you if I treated you the way many who call themselves Christians treat us? We are scorned, beaten, yelled at, murdered and raped. Facts show most of the perpetrators of these crimes are raised and self identify as Christians. <br />BRIAN: Call it whining if you wish, if it makes you feel better. Is it whining if the complaints are valid? Why are our points whining but yours are not? Does my gayness diminish your Christianity? Are you one who feels personally responsible for another's salvation? Do you not know that "it is the work of God that you believe?" To say you have led x number of sinners to the Lord is vanity? That the ex-gay therapies often leave lasting scars and many times lead to suicide? That your witness in less your words than the way you live your whole life?Rebeccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15218800704861183541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-83803098957931681822009-05-21T12:15:31.248-04:002009-05-21T12:15:31.248-04:00christian you will not find one verse of Jesus tal...christian you will not find one verse of Jesus talking against homosexuality, but will find several where he talks in favor.Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-6577691214816208442009-05-21T02:56:11.767-04:002009-05-21T02:56:11.767-04:00i am trying to think how there are supposed gay c...i am trying to think how there are supposed gay christians... how can they believe in a God that strongly opposes homosexual relationships...christian magazinehttp://www.risenmagazine.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-18757576981554250502009-03-17T20:50:00.000-04:002009-03-17T20:50:00.000-04:00One person's ancient barbaric text is another pers...One person's ancient barbaric text is another person's realistic representation of the times in which it refers; times by the way no less barbaric than our own.<BR/><BR/>Sorry too, but I would feel a little presumptuous saying that God doesn't exist. There was a time when I said I don't know if God exists, but to be reasonable I could not call Him imaginary.<BR/><BR/>Is God any more imaginary than you are? There are many examples of things I have never seen but believe. For example, air, or even better, love.<BR/><BR/>Here's a question for you. Is it possible to love the believer and hate the belief?<BR/><BR/>If not, then you are right, the debate is over. Because you have abandoned millions upon millions of people to what comes across as your contempt.<BR/><BR/>TJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-77724219909890392642009-03-17T08:32:00.000-04:002009-03-17T08:32:00.000-04:00Great points to counter anti-gay supremacist funda...Great points to counter anti-gay supremacist fundamentalist nonsense. And it is tooooooooootallllllly nonsense. Hey, here's another powerful way to counter bigotry based on ancient barbaric texts:<BR/><BR/>God beings are imaginary. Sorry.<BR/><BR/>Much of the Bible is repulsive and barbaric. It's a poor moral guide, especially for children. Sorry.<BR/><BR/>Gay people are natural beautiful variations of life. Yep.<BR/><BR/>Hell is nothing more than a fear tactic used to subjugate minds, especially those of children. Sorry.<BR/><BR/>Sooo, when confronting a bigot who uses their fundamentalism as a weapon, don't be afraid to use your belief in evidence and faith in people a weapon right back.<BR/><BR/>You see, the whole debate over the worth of gay people is immoral. It's time to stop the debate. As Mel White says, the debate is over. Homosexuality: Not a sickness. Not a sinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-90129748973842730392009-03-17T08:30:00.000-04:002009-03-17T08:30:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10927001790385541577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-51548703938514917322009-03-16T21:08:00.000-04:002009-03-16T21:08:00.000-04:00I became a Christian when I was 18 years old, some...I became a Christian when I was 18 years old, someone who believes what the Bible says about Jesus Christ; that He is God, that He is the Son of God, that He gave up his place in Heaven to walk as one of His creation, that He died on the cross in our place, that He did not deserve it, but did so because he loves us and wants all of us one day to meet God face to face.<BR/><BR/>Twenty-five years later, the strength that faith in Jesus Christ gave me to face mortality, loneliness, confusion, envy, and all the other afflictions that lie down as stumbling blocks before a person's joy, allowed me to see myself for the first time, face to face.<BR/><BR/>I am bi-sexual. It was easy for me to submerge my attraction to guys because I am also attracted to women. The problem is that suppressed feelings don't just play nice and lay still. All my life I thought about and fantasized about both sexes. I would say to myself, Oh, the psychology books say everyone does that, don't be freaked out about it.<BR/><BR/>But denying the truth made me a worse person not a better one. Not more Christlike, but less; and less happy.<BR/><BR/>I'll never forget the joy I felt recently, as I walked across the parking lot from my car to my workplace, letting go; not trying to walk like and talk like the person I thought a man should be; but just being me. Even the wind going through the leaves seemed to be saying, Look at the beautiful secret, where has he been. Remember when he used to smile without knowing why, and how long he mourned the same.<BR/><BR/>It was also easy for me to brush aside the issue of whether homosexuality is a sin. After all it's not the Taliban or getting the bills paid or all the other so important distractions; and doesn't the Bible say so, it's usually pretty cool. I'm sure there's a practical reason why God hates it.<BR/><BR/>Strange though. Really, how does one hate the sin but love the sinner? If carrying a mailbag was a sin, could I really love this man that walks up and down the street everyday, flaunting his ambivalence for God?<BR/><BR/>Does the Bible say that same sex relationships are a sin, that homosexuality is a sin? The old testament says a man shall not lay with a man as with a woman. This is anything but clear, and apparently leaves lesbians off the hook. Although they are allegedly mentioned once in the new testament.<BR/><BR/>However, "at the mouth of TWO witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established" -Deuteronomy 19:15 King James Bible<BR/><BR/>The fact is that the few scarce references in the Bible which may not even refer to homosexuality in the original languages, are always taken out of context by Christians who use God's word to condemn homosexuality as sin.<BR/><BR/>Note how they say God loves the sinner but hates the sin, and then in the same breath say that if you don't give up that sin God will send you to hell.<BR/><BR/>Most of these are people who honestly love God and think they are defending his good intentions toward us. Yet, even they as they sit in their pews know that there is a disconnect from what their pastors are telling them and what the Holy Spirit is telling them. They know it when they talk to their friends and their neighbors and their children and their parents who are LGBT.<BR/><BR/>Thank you God, for alowing me to see me. I look forward to seeing You.<BR/><BR/>TJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-66197477849406956192009-03-15T11:28:00.000-04:002009-03-15T11:28:00.000-04:00Just a note to "anonymous". You might want to have...Just a note to "anonymous". <BR/><BR/>You might want to have a look at your genology! No one is all 'white', or all 'black' or 'all' any one color! <BR/><BR/>As my sweet little old Granny once said (to the sagrine of my ulta-religious Aunt and Uncle who almost choked to death)"there must be a nigger in our wood pile somewhere, everytime this family gets together, we eat water mellon". The rest of the family like to choke do death in laughter. Sorry for the use of the "N" word, or to insinuate anything about people of color. She was born in the Oklahoma territory, before it was a state. I just don't think it would have same meaning with out it.<BR/><BR/>To make a point, we are all not pure anything! We are all a mixed bag of everything. Some are just totally mixed up! We are all one, just look different. And if you can not see past the color of ones skin, then you are the one that has blinders on! That is called RACEISM!<BR/><BR/>You talk about ignorence? <BR/><BR/>Micheal Jackson made a song a while back about "looking at the man in the mirror". I think you need to take that advise. A long hard look, deep hard look!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-38801324021463625262009-03-15T10:57:00.000-04:002009-03-15T10:57:00.000-04:00Brian, you have made some very valid scriptual poi...Brian, you have made some very valid scriptual points. But there is something about the Bible that you may have missed. It says we all have our own free will. <BR/><BR/>To have a free will, one can not be commanded! (ie. the 10 commanments) <BR/><BR/>It also says that we will do as Jesus has done, and more (W.W.J.D. - bumper stickers, arm bands, etc...) To repeat what is written in the Bible, is not doing "and more", also, is says to look within to find God! If you repeat what someone told someone, who repeats what someone else told them, then you are like the perverbial sheep to slauter. Look within! Find your answers there, the Bible is a 'guide book', not the be all to end all. Look at the differences between the new and old testaments, there is a lot of contradictions. <BR/><BR/>Jesus said there will be others as I and more! Then the Bible says that it is the only one, and Jesus was and is the only one (see the contradiction?). Other religions calm to be the only truth! Wars have been fought over this, millions have died over that statment! Why? A religion is a 'why', none are perfect, anyone that has any ability to think and ponder can see that. If ALL religious leaders made the statment, infact all world and political leaders, made the statment that what thier religion or country has to offer was a different way, and not "the way", wars would end! Political striff would end, genocide would end, hate would end! Do you follow what I am saying here? The entire landscape of the perceptions of the "who is better" would end! Instantly!<BR/><BR/>I would like to recommend that you read a series of books written by Neale Donald Walsch, called "Conversations With God". They are very enlightening, well written, easy to understand, humorous, heart wrenching, and most of all, make one look with in! <BR/><BR/>I had many miss given feelings of what God meant to me being a Gay man and what religion "said about being Gay"! The understanding of what I was told about the 'interpatation of the Bible', being the sinner, the self lothing, fear of hell, and all the other falocies that went along with it. I now feel that God (Universe, Budda, Jahova, and many other names) does Love Me! I am the way I am supposed to be, I am here for a purpose! We are all here for a reason, an no one can know that but ourselves. Anyone that tells us what that purpose is, is the one that is giving false profacy. <BR/><BR/>I do implore you to look at yourself, an read these books! They are not to be taken as a religion, do not mistake them for the be all to end all! Just "another way" to see your interpatation of Who God Is, an what it means to be a human being on this planet of dust in this massive exspance known as the universe. <BR/><BR/>May the Universe, Life, Love and God Bless you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-54968373944058652592009-03-12T19:27:00.000-04:002009-03-12T19:27:00.000-04:00Aww, don't leave Brian...I wanted to know what the...Aww, don't leave Brian...I wanted to know what the fuck you were going on about, if anything at all. I'm sorry the discussion didn't go your way.<BR/><BR/>But other than wasting time on a useless godbot can I point out how out of line Anon's post was? What the hell?T. R Xandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12142370339947719352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-39536583524875030172009-03-12T18:31:00.000-04:002009-03-12T18:31:00.000-04:00Lori thanks for stopping by, glad you like the sit...Lori thanks for stopping by, glad you like the site and this post :)Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-70205218005672469982009-03-12T18:29:00.000-04:002009-03-12T18:29:00.000-04:00I love this blog site!! Really great points and so...I love this blog site!! Really great points and so true...thank you, keep up the excellent work!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-29763207663694424972009-03-12T18:25:00.000-04:002009-03-12T18:25:00.000-04:00As for dialogue you are welcome to post your thoug...As for dialogue you are welcome to post your thoughts, I haven't censored you. But, you can't expect to defend the position that being gay is against the Bible, The Bible is the word of Truth, and the wildest idea that gays are not oppressed without taking some heat for expressing those sentiments.Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-49769982719640898352009-03-12T17:45:00.000-04:002009-03-12T17:45:00.000-04:00TR,Stop! I'm overwhelmed by your activist points ...TR,<BR/><BR/>Stop! I'm overwhelmed by your activist points at overcoming anti-gay sentiment... LOL!<BR/><BR/>Phil, well said.. doesn't have to be catty.<BR/><BR/>I promise to stop. I thought there may be some genuine dialog... just self-serving whining.<BR/><BR/>Seriously guys, you couldn't 'reverse' your way out of a wet paper bag. You just don't want to admit it. Go on feeling oppressed by anti-gay sentiment.<BR/><BR/>I can only surmise it is all in your over-active imaginations. If people are laughing at you, it is not because you are gay...brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01876492108388349119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-17820967217010629892009-03-12T16:42:00.000-04:002009-03-12T16:42:00.000-04:00I think this is, indeed, the Life Of Brian.I think this is, indeed, the <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python%27s_Life_of_Brian" REL="nofollow">Life Of Brian</A>.<BR/><BR>Philip Thrifthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03021615111948806998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-40982794858793091852009-03-12T16:36:00.000-04:002009-03-12T16:36:00.000-04:00I...feel like I just walked into a Jehovah's Witne...I...feel like I just walked into a Jehovah's Witness meeting. Wow. Brian's so concerned it moves me to tears of piety.T. R Xandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12142370339947719352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-18469639356165768532009-03-12T15:28:00.000-04:002009-03-12T15:28:00.000-04:00Although some have suggested a gay-subtext to the ...Although some have suggested a gay-subtext to the Gospels, I have not really found it (other than the bit about the young man following Jesus before his betrayal, who ran away naked, and the story of the Roman soldier and his male servant, whom Jesus cured).<BR/><BR/>That Paul (from writings ascribed to him) was suppressing his own homosexual tendencies is, on the other hand, far more accepted by serious scholars.<BR/><BR>Philip Thrifthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03021615111948806998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-53379301036994422762009-03-12T13:23:00.000-04:002009-03-12T13:23:00.000-04:00Plagiarism is not holy, and God represents nothing...Plagiarism is not holy, and God represents nothing that humans have bestowed upon him through their own anthropomorphic thinking.Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-9717346923803065882009-03-12T13:21:00.000-04:002009-03-12T13:21:00.000-04:00I believe Jesus was an amazing person, who brought...I believe Jesus was an amazing person, who brought a lot of positive messages to this world. The writings we have were written 200 years after he lived. Lots of myth from pagan beliefs were also used within Christianity, ie: the birth to a virgin, the Dec 25th birthday, the crucifixion for world sins, and the resurrection 3 days later. All ancient stories, Christianity just stole them and took credit.Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.com