tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post733970408761614470..comments2024-02-26T02:02:51.364-05:00Comments on Queers United: Does Your Congress Member Make the Grade?Queers Unitedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-44473632028306064102008-10-24T09:40:00.000-04:002008-10-24T09:40:00.000-04:00Thanks I just cross-posted this. Crazy past 2 wee...Thanks I just cross-posted this. Crazy past 2 weeks between work and school so I am so behind in my posting, ugh!<BR/><BR/>Dave, WickedGayBlogWickedGayBlog.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09413531458772463528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-42650691102177650942008-10-23T23:36:00.000-04:002008-10-23T23:36:00.000-04:00Leah & tyler - The teaching of same-sex couple...Leah & tyler - The teaching of same-sex couples in schools will happen with or without this amendment passing. It is about teaching about all kinds of families, some of those kids have gay parents, and some will grow up to be gay. Prop 8 has nothing to do with education. The California Superintendent of Schools spoke out against this nonsense and lies the opposition has said because its simply untrue.<BR/><BR/>California law clearly gives parents and guardians broad authority to remove their children from any health instruction if it conflicts with their religious beliefs or moral convictions.<BR/><BR/>As for procreation, gays & lesbians do have children through adoption and insemination. Some straight couples are infertile or don't want to procreate. Marriage is about love, commitment, and financially taking care of one another.<BR/><BR/>If you are for family values you would vote no on prop 8.Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-19511373943185820902008-10-23T23:16:00.000-04:002008-10-23T23:16:00.000-04:00This is foresterinc you say that churches will be ...This is foresterinc you say that churches will be able to perform whatever marriage they believe in. Look around you, look at what has happened to Massachusetts, The purpose of bringing up the issues in Massachusetts is to show that this is only the beginning of the effects that legalizing gay marriage has on society. It's only the beginning! I can only imagine the effects 10, 20 years down the road. The truth is that freedom of speech and religion are at stake. Children's rights to be raised by a mother and father are at stake. It won't be something that can just stay in the neighbor's house. It will infuse into everything we do. That's why it's important to me that we vote yes on 8. I AM ALL ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS, especially to those who may be different then me. Prop 8 to me is about definition not discrimination. Proposition 8 is NOT an attack on gay couples and does not take away the rights that same-sex couples already have under California’s domestic partner law. California law already grants domestic partners all the rights that a state can grant to a married couple. Gays have a right to their private lives, but not to change the definition of marriage for everyone else.<BR/>schools are already required to teach the role of marriage in society as part of the curriculum, schools will now be required to teach students that gay marriage is the same as traditional marriage, starting with kindergarteners. By saying that a marriage is between “any two persons” rather than between a man and a woman, the Court decision has opened the door to any kind of “marriage.” This undermines the value of marriage altogether at a time when we should be restoring marriage, not undermining it. Let me give you an example of what I forsee if prop 8 doesn't pass. My daughter Zoe when she enters into kindergarden and is being read "King and King" me and my husband if we go to the school district about her not hearing that kind of matrial will be overlooked because of amendment 1, which then inturn we lose the fight of free exercise of our rights. I know we have all heard it but I bring it up to prove my example Take education, for instance. In Massachusetts, the state Supreme Court—not a vote of the people—redefined marriage just as occurred in California. In 2007, a Massachusetts elementary school began teaching kindergarten and first grade children about same-sex marriage using a book which told the story of a prince who “lived happily ever after” with another prince. (*I’m not commenting on the quality of the story here, just the legal outcome*). Some parents requested that their children be allowed to opt-out of such instruction until the seventh grade. They did not challenge the use of the book as part of the school’s curriculum. When the school district refused to let the children opt-out, the parents sued in federal court.<BR/><BR/>They lost. In a 47-page opinion, the First Circuit held that the parents’ right to choose traditional marriage education for their child was not protected by the First Amendment because same sex marriage was permitted by Massachusetts law. Free exercise could not justify legal exemption where due process and equal protection rights were in play. I respect people's right to be gay. But I do not think they have the right to be married. One of the main purposes of marriage is to form a commitment to create children and raise a family. Notice that every culture on earth performs some kind of ceremony before a man and a woman join to make a family. Same-sex couples by definition cannot procreate. Please know that the things I speak of are words coming from a place of no contention. This is why I love America because you can do the very thing we are doing right now. Please respond back on my blog under the prop 8 post thanks.Tyler S. Foresterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11862550964005367686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-66411279343190244582008-10-23T22:33:00.000-04:002008-10-23T22:33:00.000-04:00*glares at TN* Goodness, some of those decisions d...*glares at TN* Goodness, some of those decisions didn't make a lick of sense (for my reps that is). Not that they ever do...T. R Xandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12142370339947719352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-64086934805660457682008-10-23T21:45:00.000-04:002008-10-23T21:45:00.000-04:00The surprise for me was Jack Reed, he didn't vote ...The surprise for me was Jack Reed, he didn't vote for two of the items HRC pushed. Otherwise Sheldon Whitehouse, James Langevin and Patrick Kennedy voted a perfect HRC ticket.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com