tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post7866438441574871901..comments2024-02-26T02:02:51.364-05:00Comments on Queers United: Stonewall 2.0 Protests and RalliesQueers Unitedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comBlogger321125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-59819365807460196182009-05-27T06:38:51.107-04:002009-05-27T06:38:51.107-04:00As a heterosexual, this is my answer to the h8 dev...As a heterosexual, this is my answer to the h8 devastation: http://prop8pledge.blogspot.com<br />Please, I encourage everyone to join me in taking the pledge. Spread the word!!Fearless Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13590644494507187834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-75387938666409779412009-05-27T04:28:57.035-04:002009-05-27T04:28:57.035-04:00Rally in the Valley 2: Prop 8 Protest!
Saturday Ma...Rally in the Valley 2: Prop 8 Protest!<br />Saturday May 30, 2009 2pm-7pm<br />Intersection of Ventura Blvd/Laurel Canyon in Studio City, CA<br />Facebook Event Page: http://facebook.com/event.php?eid=84825389181<br /><br />Please repost everywhere! THANK YOU.Teresa Krzywickihttp://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=84825389181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-76736668049063292432009-05-21T12:05:21.170-04:002009-05-21T12:05:21.170-04:00Will it must be time to delete this site, no more ...Will it must be time to delete this site, no more rallies no more information no more anything. It was great well it lasted, so long<br />can't waste my time anymore.......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-66922874324364544282009-03-22T01:37:00.000-04:002009-03-22T01:37:00.000-04:00Decision Day...Alert-The decision on Prop 8 could ...Decision Day...Alert<BR/><BR/>-The decision on Prop 8 could come at anytime.<BR/>-Events are planned in your city.<BR/>-The time and place will be posted the night before the decision is made.<BR/>-Be ready to join in with short notice.<BR/><BR/>-Meeting place is usually one of the places you met at before and will probably consist of a march and rally as all other events have.<BR/><BR/>-The decision will decide if it is a celebration or a protest.<BR/><BR/>-Keep an eye out at jointheimpact.com (follow the red link to find events in your city).<BR/><BR/>-Decisions usually come out on Mondays or Thursdays at 10am, but may come out on another weekday.<BR/><BR/>-The California Supreme Court announces that they will release a decision 24 hours before it happens, so watch the news or keep an ear out.<BR/><BR/>-It is important that we come out either way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-54709512017523569972009-03-20T01:00:00.000-04:002009-03-20T01:00:00.000-04:00I really want to make the Philadelphia event. Anyo...I really want to make the Philadelphia event. Anyone from the Boston/Providence area going?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-46503098475744986312009-03-05T15:57:00.000-05:002009-03-05T15:57:00.000-05:00Guys there is a great LGBT civil rights organizati...Guys there is a great LGBT civil rights organization called the Empowering Spirits Foundation. They are very creative in how they approach this hot issue, in that they engage in service oriented activities in communities typically opposed to equal rights to foster thought and change for LGBT equality.<BR/><BR/>A friend of mine told me about it and I thought it was a great, positive approach to the issue. We had so much fun at the last event and it was great to give back to the community. Plus it was great to converse with others on the other side of the table in a way that wasn't confrontational. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, this can be such a heated issue and I thought this was a unique approach.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-82121804070231100122009-03-05T15:53:00.000-05:002009-03-05T15:53:00.000-05:00Here's a good Prop-8 story from DiversityInc.comht...Here's a good Prop-8 story from DiversityInc.com<BR/><BR/>http://www.diversityinc.com/public/5387.cfmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-79455242449015631082009-02-28T02:42:00.000-05:002009-02-28T02:42:00.000-05:00Counter Protest in NChttp://www.facebook.com/event...Counter Protest in NC<BR/>http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=75598256489<BR/><BR/>Host: <BR/>Sickntired<BR/>Type: <BR/>Causes - Protest<BR/>Network: <BR/>Global<BR/>Date: <BR/>Tuesday, March 3, 2009<BR/>Time: <BR/>11:00am - 1:00pm<BR/>Location: <BR/>Halifax Mall at the State Capitol in Raleigh.<BR/>Street: <BR/>16 W. Jones St.<BR/>Email: <BR/>sickntired08@gmail.comSNThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12131906541748320257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-85741423818423434812009-01-27T02:00:00.000-05:002009-01-27T02:00:00.000-05:00Title: Your Rights, Our Rights, Equal Rights Porte...Title: Your Rights, Our Rights, Equal Rights Portest<BR/><BR/>Location: Saddleback Church, Lake Forest (Corners of Saddleback Pkwy & Portola Pkwy)<BR/><BR/>Date: 2/21/09<BR/><BR/>Time: 10am-4pm<BR/><BR/>Body: Make huge colorful eye catching signs, Bring Noise Makers, Drums, Whistles, Air Horns, LGBT Flags, State Flags, US FLAG, anything that can get peoples attention. Maybe Bring the News! Make Donations to the OC AIDS WALK 2009. Bring animals, friends, family, or at least drive by with your pride gear.<BR/><BR/>Contacts: www.myspace.com/ocequality , www.myspace.com/fremontgsa , www.myspace.com/socalgsanetwork, www.myspace.com/gghsgsa<BR/><BR/>January 27, 2009 1:58 AMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-51089112739407249772009-01-27T01:58:00.000-05:002009-01-27T01:58:00.000-05:00Title: Your Rights, Our Right, Equal Right Portest...Title: Your Rights, Our Right, Equal Right Portest<BR/><BR/>Location: Saddleback Church, Lake Forest (Corners of Saddleback Pkwy & Portola Pkwy)<BR/><BR/>Date: 2/21/09<BR/><BR/>Time: 10am-4pm<BR/><BR/>Body: Make huge colorful eye catching signs, Bring Noise Makers, Drums, Whistles, Air Horns, LGBT Flags, State Flags, US FLAG, anything that can get peoples attention. Maybe Bring the News! Make Donations to the OC AIDS WALK 2009. Bring animals, friends, family, or at least drive by with your pride gear.<BR/><BR/>Contacts: www.myspace.com/ocequality , www.myspace.com/fremontgsa , www.myspace.com/socalgsanetwork, www.myspace.com/gghsgsaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-45442673160065303222009-01-23T01:13:00.000-05:002009-01-23T01:13:00.000-05:00http://sundancfilmfestival2009prop8protestut.blogs...http://sundancfilmfestival2009prop8protestut.blogspot.com/Walmartah Anita Bea Neuteredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17243975879889675605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-62489638310737174072009-01-21T17:52:00.000-05:002009-01-21T17:52:00.000-05:00I voted No on Prop 8. I regret it incredibly after...I voted No on Prop 8. I regret it incredibly after seeing the way the Gay community reacted to their lose. <BR/><BR/>If we get a chance to vote again, I will definatly support Yes on 8 campaign. You guys are shaming yourselves, your nation, and your lifestyle. Learn some dignity for your own sake's. Stop the hate against other people for disagreeing with your lifestyle choice. <BR/><BR/>And to John the ex-cop, Thank you for sharing your story and for standing up for the type of gay people I know and love. It is good to know that not everyone has lost their minds. That was bold of you in the face of such ignorance!<BR/><BR/>After all, not every gay person agrees that Homosexual marriage is a good thing for this nation at this time, nor are they put off by civil unions. In fact, my friends want to fight for the civil union to have more power than they do currently, like how they do in England. Hell if Elton John is okay with it, so are we! ; D<BR/><BR/>And remember, PRIDE COMES BEFORE THE FALL. Those who become boastful of themselves, soon learn what being humble means.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-7587515944860991962009-01-17T14:45:00.000-05:002009-01-17T14:45:00.000-05:002nd Class Citizens…Sundance Film Festival 2009 The...2nd Class Citizens…Sundance Film Festival 2009<BR/><BR/> The Sundance Film Festival is an annual, peaceful, diverse fellowship of all involved in our freedoms so long taken for granted in this country. The freedom to celebrate the entrepreneurial spirit, the innate creative gifts that are within all who work hard to produce documentaries, bring awareness to global social and economic as well as very important environmental issues. The ability to produce it as it is, not by how a church or religious organization deems proper. Sundance is the beacon of light for positive energy within all humans to do good. . This same ability for simple ordinary people to do good in times when it would be easier to ignore the pain and suffering of those in this world around us, allows us to better ourselves as a global community. <BR/> The Sundance Film Festival Spirit provides each of us the opportunity to give back and help make a tangible difference in the life of someone so very deserving. If just one more can of food, or clothing is donated to someone who is part of the record numbers of homeless families this year, then at least one good deed occurred. I challenge each of you this year to be the top philanthropist for the cause you believe in.<BR/> As an ordinary person who champions the underdogs in society, there comes also the fundamental realization that it is always wrong to discriminate and hate. The ability to also do impressive but small gestures of kindness. These were shown nationwide with food drives, and charitable actions in silent positive protest against the hate. Locally and nationally in the form of homeless assistance, help for working poor families, and other peaceful protests such as toy drives, and candlelight vigils. Although I may be a second class citizen, I am able to say that my domestic partner and I did something to help out my fellow human beings, and shelter animals this past year. I gave all that we could financially in 2008, and adopted three stray animals. I made an attempt to better the environment in which I am a part of thru recycling. I will continue to advocate for positive peaceful change, and continue charitable works.<BR/> We took care of our fellow man, the thing that churches are supposed to do instead of spending on hate campaigns. We helped also to take care of relatives who are not cared for properly by the State or Federal level health systems. For all those too poor to go to rest homes due to how programs are structured. Those two very elderly and severely disabled ladies, the joys of my life, who fall thru gaps in programs, on fixed income but unable to qualify for needed assistance. In President Obama I trust and hope for change, until then I will assist. Hopefully government will catch up to the needs of its people.<BR/> In these times of extreme human suffrage I ask only that people put aside their differences and come together peacefully to celebrate the power within that allows our diversity. The diversity that built a great nation and keeps Hollywood revived with entertainment. The diversity promoted and encouraged as most of Hollywood actually at least mentions same sex relationships. Whereas mainstream papers and some movie theater chains prevented any mention of the vague possibility that legitimate same sex relationships do exist, and have always existed throughout history. <BR/> I thank gay and straight men and women who in the past stood together and used the power of music to feed the world. When BANDAID rallied to support starving people in Africa it touched my life forever in a positive way. That deceased but not forgotten incredible member of royalty who left her mark on the planet by helping to remove land mines globally, in order to save innocent people caught in war zones. Of a special media entrepreneur who thought it was better to help stop the diseases of Malaria and A.I.D.s than to invest in capital gain. Of a lady who focuses on networking angels together and helping to end global illiteracy, and severe poverty in Africa. <BR/> I challenge all religious people to take care of their fellow man. I challenge all politicians to work on what fails in society currently, and what continues to cause suffrages. Sundance is inspirational to many people; I therefore challenge the brightest minds in independent film making and Hollywood to use the media as a way to promote positive peaceful social change. <BR/> I thank all of the G.L.B.T. community, straight people, and the many Hollywood Supporters for all they have done in an attempt to end the hatred of Proposition 8. I applaud each of the many national and local peaceful protests: food drives, toy drives, homeless assistance, and charity work. Thank you for all the good that you have done by your proven deeds in peaceful protest against the hate. Deserving of special recognition: Ellen, Wanda Sykes, Tom Hanks, and all who donated and got the word out! I thank all of those who stood up and said it is not right to treat people that way. <BR/><BR/>Hugs! Tom and Darin utah2bearsplaying@yahoo.com<BR/>Utah2bearsplaying@yahoo.comWalmartah Anita Bea Neuteredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17243975879889675605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-23055359422202614452009-01-03T12:08:00.000-05:002009-01-03T12:08:00.000-05:00Monday, January 19thMillion Person Equality March ...Monday, January 19th<BR/><BR/>Million Person Equality March - Sacramento, CA<BR/>Capitol Building, Sacramento<BR/>Get your hotel reservations now. Sign up for teams: equalityactionnow.org<BR/><BR/>This march is not happening - please remove from your list.<BR/>Thanks so much,<BR/><BR/>Jade - EANAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-37254451030360524012008-12-27T09:19:00.000-05:002008-12-27T09:19:00.000-05:00Hi! The web address for the San Diego DOMA march h...Hi! The web address for the San Diego DOMA march has changed. It is now:<BR/><BR/>http://www.sdequalitynow.com/events/unite-to-repeal-the-defense-of<BR/><BR/>Thanks and hope to see everyone there! <BR/><BR/>Tess Banko<BR/>San Diego Equality Campaign<BR/>www.sdequalitynow.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-51330683084130389322008-12-25T23:12:00.000-05:002008-12-25T23:12:00.000-05:00No on Prop 8 Protest Rally - Long Beach When: Mond...No on Prop 8 Protest Rally - Long Beach <BR/>When: Monday 12/29 <BR/>Where: Pacific Coast Hwy & E 7th St <BR/>Time: 2pm-6pm <BR/><BR/>Please bring everyone you know: Friends, Family, BF's, GF's, Etc. Lets make it a big Crowd! Bring signs, megaphones, whistles, etc. and keep this positive!Christopher Sabinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00130155840689520820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-25106370645192778422008-12-22T18:25:00.000-05:002008-12-22T18:25:00.000-05:00MARRIAGE EQUALITY MARCH / PROTEST RICK WARREN DELI...MARRIAGE EQUALITY MARCH / PROTEST RICK WARREN DELIVERING PRAYER AT OBAMA INAUGURATION.....IN WASHINGTON D.C. JAN 20, 2009Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-77084676517590363572008-12-21T23:36:00.000-05:002008-12-21T23:36:00.000-05:00is anyone gonna go to this prop 8 rally in long be...is anyone gonna go to this prop 8 rally in long beach this tuesday? i'd love to carpool! =) <BR/>email me mandypaulineh@hotmail.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-4495132194140595852008-12-21T19:20:00.000-05:002008-12-21T19:20:00.000-05:00No on Prop 8 Protest Rally - Long Beach When: Tues...No on Prop 8 Protest Rally - Long Beach <BR/>When: Tuesday 12/23 <BR/>Where: Pacific Coast Hwy & E 7th St <BR/>Time: 2pm-6pm <BR/><BR/>Please bring everyone you know: Friends, Family, BF's, GF's, Etc. Lets make it a big Crowd! Bring signs, megaphones, whistles, etc. and keep this positive!Christopher Sabinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00130155840689520820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-53329608996417011402008-12-19T13:58:00.000-05:002008-12-19T13:58:00.000-05:00Hi Ronique James-Wow, that was long. Even longer ...Hi Ronique James-<BR/><BR/>Wow, that was long. Even longer than mine.<BR/><BR/>First off-My name is Seven, not Steven (I'm sure that was an unintentional mistake), and certainly not "sweetheart", "baby" or "sugar".<BR/><BR/>Second- I am not "blind with rage" or "kicking and screaming". I am not attacking others for having a different opinion. You don't just have a different opinion. You, and countless others like you see yourselves as morally superior to gays and use what power you have to see that gays are not treated as equal in our society. I call it as I see it. You are a bigot. The opinions you have are hurtful and cruel. These opinions are definitely a choice. You choose discrimination. I don't appreciate that. Its that simple. I'm not attacking you by stating the facts.<BR/><BR/>Third- I am not self centered and I don't believe that the world revolves around me or gays in general. It would seem to me, given the amount of time you spend researching gays and on this gay site, that you are the one who thinks the world revolves around gays, not me.<BR/><BR/>Fourth- It is obvious that I will not change your mind about the "choice" issue. Apparently, having read some articles and not being gay yourself, you think that you know more about what it is to be gay than I do.<BR/><BR/>You know- even if it is a choice, what difference does that make? If two grown adults love each other and want to marry, why can't they? What's it to you? Who cares about minority status? I don't want to be thought of as part of an oppressed minority group anyway. I'll leave that to you as apparently it is the core of your identity. All I want is to be seen as an equal part of society. I have no desire to take anything away from you or from religious people. <BR/><BR/>And, I never said that gays have suffered More than ANY other group.<BR/><BR/>I just don't understand how you can't see that you sound just like the bigots in the south. They felt, and many there still feel, that segregation was God's idea. The bible says that races shouldn't mix. You know, the tower of Babel and all of that crap. That is why interracial marriage was not allowed. Religious people like you thought it was an abomination. That is also why they defended segregated schools and bathrooms etc. <BR/><BR/>Why did that upset blacks? The segregationists simply had a different opinion. Why attack them with ugly names like "racist" or "bigot". <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>I have ALWAYS supported black people and their fights for equality. I will continue to do so. My black friends, both gay and straight, love me as I love them and see me as equal and deserving of equality.<BR/><BR/>The truth is that you see US as sinful. You think we are an abomination unto the Lord and should never in any way be considered equal to you. That is hate and that is prejudice, plain and simple.<BR/><BR/>You say that you still have some gay friends who have not lost their minds. The fact that they are still friends of yours makes me doubt the validity of that statement.<BR/><BR/>You say that you ARE currently struggling with oppression. Your examples are:<BR/><BR/>---I"m worried about the safety of my friend whose mormon church is being protested." <BR/><BR/>HOW does that equate to oppression? That's ridiculous. Has she been hurt? Has anyone you know been harmed by gay protesters? Of course not. So, what's the problem. If they want to spend twenty million to take away our constitutionally granted rights, they will have to put up with some protests. Sorry. Their church is the obvious oppressor. How do our protests oppress YOU?<BR/><BR/>Next, you give the example of "Religulous". Well, the fact is that a film has come out that documents how moronic and stupid religion is. It merely states the facts. How is that oppressing to you? It may be embarrassing for you, but it is in NO way an example of oppression. John simply has a different opinion about religion than you do. I hope you'll live.<BR/><BR/>You yourself prove how stupid religious people are. How brilliant of you, with all of your history of deep dark oppression, to take the religion of the slave owner for you own. <BR/><BR/>Listen, if you REALLY want to see what oppression looks like. Just look at the history of all churches and their treatment of humanity in general. There you will find the southern christian slave owners,the segregationists, the Indian slaughterers, the witch burners, the Spanish mass murdering inquisitors, the polygamists, and those who decreed that women did not deserve the right to vote etc., etc., etc.<BR/><BR/>So, anyway, good job joining up.<BR/><BR/>Another question-<BR/><BR/>Why do you think that your religious views deserve respect? In what way have churches, ANY churches earned respect? Do you think that anyone who puts a cross on their roof really represents God? just because they say so? Why do you think that your church inspired beliefs should dictate national law in a country based on the separation of church and state? <BR/><BR/>And, just to let you know- this is a republic, not a democracy. If the majority felt that blacks should sit at the back of the bus and voted that way, would you think that was "Just the way it goes in a democracy"?<BR/><BR/>Lastly- You say you can't hide being black, but I can hide being gay. Well, I did that to a point where I was ready to kill myself. I felt so much shame and self loathing that I wanted to die . You see, I grew up around religious wackos like you and I believed their hateful lies. NOT ANY MORE. NEVER AGAIN. I WILL NOT HIDE. I WILL NOT BE ASHAMED. I WILL NOT LIVE IN FEAR ANY MORE. I WILL NEVER LET MY SELF BE ANYTHING LESS THAN EQUAL, certainly not so that you can feel more comfortable.<BR/><BR/>I hope you wake up.<BR/><BR/>GOOD FOR ELLEN!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-21580057802386378532008-12-18T13:30:00.000-05:002008-12-18T13:30:00.000-05:00Hello Steven. Thank you for your response, and tha...Hello Steven. Thank you for your response, and thank you for your expression on your opinion.<BR/>I don't think you are less of a human being, that is clearly your paranoia. I think you are a human being, equal to me, who is blinded by anger and attacking others simply because they don't agree.<BR/><BR/>No, I am not gay. But, Don't assume to know me sir. And don't assume to know my life or what I have been through and CERTAINLY DO NOT BE SO IGNORANT TO ASSUME YOU HAVE IT "HARDER" THAN OTHERS. That your "opression" is greater than minorities. Its rough all around baby, its incredibly childish to think no one has it worse than you, not to mention pitiful. <BR/><BR/><BR/>First off. The world doesn't revolve around you. The world doesn't revolve around gay people. Sorry. It doesn't sweetheart. You can kick, and scream all you want, but there are bigger issues in our nation at hand and we as Obama said, need to focus on coming together for those reasons first. <BR/><BR/>Second, I voted on Prop. 22, I voted yes. And guess what? That was taken away from me. Before anything was taken from you, MY RIGHTS, MY BELIEFS were violated. And for what? So you could be married. So you could trample on others beliefs and make yourselves happy.So that a small percentage of the population could be happy, compromising the rest of us. That isn't how democracy works.<BR/><BR/>SHAME ON YOU! Stop being so self centered! <BR/><BR/>No, this isn't a civil rights issue. Those were the criteria to legally count as a minority status here in America. Because it has never been scientifically proven that gays are born with their sexual orientation, that is a very weak argument. Besides, where did you get that idea honey? Could it be from scientist Simon LeVay? The results of his scientific research were never confirmed. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>"How sexual orientation evolves is a debatable question, but that it can (and does) change is a well-observed fact. A recent study by the gay- friendly Kinsey Institute found that 84% of homosexuals and 29% of heterosexuals shifted or changed their "sexual orientation" at least once in a lifetime; 32% of homosexuals and 4% of "straights" reported a second shift; and 13% of homosexuals and 1% of heterosexuals claimed at least five changes in sexual orientation during their lifetimes.<BR/><BR/> The scientific literature indicates that homosexual feelings are more frequent than homosexual behavior and that same-sex behavior is more frequent than lasting homosexual identification.<BR/><BR/> Five years after publishing our study, a follow- up of patients showed that the one-third whose adaptation had shifted to heterosexuality remained so. And we have personally followed some patients for as long as 20 years who remained exclusively heterosexual.<BR/><BR/> Treatment using dynamic individual psychotherapy, group therapy, aversion therapy, or psychotherapy with an integration of various logical principles will produce object-choice reorientation and successful heterosexual relationships in a high percentage of persons....Homosexuals can change their orientation."<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>There are plenty of gays, lesbians and bi-sexuals who would say they chose their lifestyle. A handful of homosexuals who disagree with you is enough to put a hole in the arguement that "you were born that way"<BR/><BR/>Example you ask? Sure, I happen to have a few gay friends who still have their minds intact.<BR/><BR/> "Remember that most of the line about homosex[uality] being one's nature, not a choice, was articulated as a response to brutal repression. "It's not our fault!" gay activists began to declaim a century ago, when queers first began to organize in Germany and England. "We didn't choose this, so don't punish us for it!" One hundred years later, it's time for us to abandon this defensive posture and walk upright on the earth. Maybe you didn't choose to be gay-that's fine. But I did."<BR/>-Lesbian activist Donna Minkowitz <BR/><BR/>Also, no you are not a minority group. People are oppressed for all matter of reason sugar.<BR/><BR/>Religion, being rich, being poor, liking chitlins or eating burritos, that don't make you a minority class because you chose to do those things. I chose to believe in God, so did the jews, and the christians who were thrown into lions dens for the entertainment of the Romans. <BR/><BR/>I know what its like to be oppressed. Especially when people are protesting outside of my Mormon's friends church, worried to death if she gets hurt or when movies like<BR/>"Religerous" come out. Not to mention, me and my kind are the O.G. opressed minority group. I know people who were beat for not knowing <BR/>english.<BR/><BR/>But that is not why I chose the life I did. I know that not everyone will agree with my lifestyle nor should they... <BR/><BR/>As for disproving my "criteria" really? Because I have some outstanding facts, that would disagree that Homosexuals qualify as a minority.<BR/><BR/>Criterion #1:<BR/>Low Income, Inadequate Education, Lack of Opportunity<BR/><BR/>For decades homosexual activists have fostered the impression that gays are economically, educationally and culturally disadvantaged. Yet recent marketing studies, done by gay-run marketing agencies and boasting scientific accuracy above 99%, roundly refute those claims.<BR/> * Homosexuals have an average annual individual income of $36,800- $41,000, depending on which study one cites (an estimated 55% of gay individuals earn more than $50,000 per year), versus $12,287 for the general population and $3,041 for disadvantaged African Americans. Thus, gay individuals' average income is at least 300% higher than average Americans' and more than 1,200% higher than that of disadvantaged African Americans.<BR/> * More than three times as many gays as average Americans are college graduates (59.6% v. 18%)-a percentage dwarfing that of truly disadvantaged African Americans and Hispanics.<BR/> * 65.8 % of homosexuals are overseas travelers-more than four times the percentage (14%) of average Americans. More than thirteen times as many homosexuals as average Americans (26.5% vs. 1.9%) are frequent fliers.<BR/> * While, in 1989, 32.8% of African Americans lived below the poverty line ($8,343 annually for two-person households under age 65[18]), 62% of gay households earned more than the average American household, and more than 95% of gay households lived above the poverty line.[19] <BR/><BR/>Also, according to Michael's (et al) landmark survey Sex In America, self-identified gays and lesbians tend to be far better educated than the general population. Twice as many college men identify themselves as gay as do non-college men, and with lesbians, there is an even greater contrast. Women with college educations are eight times more likely than high school- educated women to identify themselves as lesbians.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Criterion #2:<BR/>Political Powerlessness<BR/><BR/>Far from being politically powerless, combining economic and educational advantage with high-pressure lobbying tactics, gay activists have ridden waves of tolerance emanating from the sexual revolution, plus the presumption that gays are some kind of "minority,"They have:<BR/><BR/> * Won passage of legislation granting homosexuals suspect-equivalent status in eight states, more than 135 cities across America, plus our nation's capitol.<BR/> * Secured political office both in the U.S. Congress and on numerous major U.S. city councils.<BR/> * Pressured the medical community to discard well-established public health measures and treat AIDS as history's first "politically protected" 100% fatal plague.<BR/> * Received benefits for "domestic partners" identical to those of married couples, and other kinds of preferential treatment in numerous major U.S. corporations.<BR/> * Implemented gay activist-created curricula representing homosexual sex as a "valid, healthy alternative" to heterosexuality.<BR/> * Gained ordination in mainline church denominations. Case in point: On April 1, 1991, a prominent Marin County, Calif., lesbian minister became a co-pastor of the Downtown United Presbyterian Church of Rochester, N.Y.<BR/> * Won National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) grants for "works of art" that graphically portray homosexual sex and savagely ridicule traditional "family" and religious values. <BR/><BR/>As recently as 1987, a report issued by the Federal Elections Commission stated that "The Human Rights Campaign Fund" [HRCF], the national gay activist political action committee (PAC), was at that time the "16th largest independent political action committee (PAC) in the nation" and "the 39th largest PAC overall." Considering that more than 4,500 PACs had registered with the FEC at the time, this represents enormous political power.<BR/><BR/>Criterion #3:<BR/>Immutable Characteristics<BR/>More astounding is the enormous weight of evidence available from gay and lesbian activist sources that the issue of gay "innateness and immutability" is in serious doubt among gay activists themselves. According to "Queer Nation" pioneer Jonathan Ned Katz:<BR/><BR/> "Contrary to today's bio-belief, the heterosexual/homosexual binary is not in nature, but is socially constructed, therefore deconstructable."<BR/><BR/>Also, if I am walking down a hall, I can't hid that I am Black, automatically, people judge me. You? You can hid that you are gay alot easier. <BR/><BR/>It seems to be that you have become so blind in your anger that you have lost your sense for reason. Your flipping of societal ostracism has turned the whole Gay Rights campaign into a rage filled attack on anyone who disagrees. People will take you more seriously when you approach them with respect, take a step back and really think about what you want and what its worth. <BR/><BR/>You do have a choice, plain and simple like the Jews, Christians, Mormons, unlike blacks, hispanics and arabs.<BR/><BR/><BR/>P.S. Ellen Degeneres gets more television hits these days than Oprah. <BR/><BR/><BR/>*Some information derived from Anton Marco's article, Gay Marriage*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-18896070261190634662008-12-16T05:01:00.000-05:002008-12-16T05:01:00.000-05:00Great list. THANKS!How to challenge The Church of ...Great list. THANKS!<BR/><BR/>How to challenge The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (also known as the “Mormon” or LDS Church) tax exempt status:<BR/>http://lds501c3.wordpress.comELhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15224534455652306974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-45693408978699610092008-12-16T04:58:00.000-05:002008-12-16T04:58:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.ELhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15224534455652306974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-22029008407743850652008-12-15T14:14:00.000-05:002008-12-15T14:14:00.000-05:00To Ronique James-For someone who claims to have do...To Ronique James-<BR/><BR/>For someone who claims to have done their research, you certainly missed a few key factors in this whole situation. <BR/><BR/>First- the right to gay marriage HAD BEEN GRANTED TO US BY THE SUPEME COURT IN CA. THIS RIGHT WAS THEN TAKEN AWAY BY PROP 8. That sounds to me like something that was given in the first place being taken away. <BR/><BR/>Second- You say that marriage between homosexuals is different and therefore should be equal to straight marriage but called something else out of "respect?". Did you ever hear that little ditty called "SEPARATE BUT EQUAL"? It wasn't a very popular tune.<BR/><BR/> Well, interracial marriage, which was illegal until 1967 looks different, but is legal now and is called marriage. Those who are fertile and marry enter the same institution as those who are infertile and will never have children. Those two examples of marriage are very different, but are called the same thing. Some people who marry also CHOOSE not to have children. They are not hunted down and told that their marriage needs a new definition and title because they don't fit the mold of two heteros marrying for procreation. When two black people marry, it doesn't LOOK the same as two white people, but they don't call it something else. Many women marry way past the age of childbearing. Its still called marriage. Why do you think that gay marriage is so different? Is it because it doesn't look the same? Is it because of the inability to procreate. Or, is it most likely based in predjudice you hold against a minority group?<BR/><BR/>Third- think about what you are saying. You say that we DO have the right to marry, just as long as its someone of the opposite sex. That is really WRONG. That is like telling someone in 1955 who is black and in love with a white person, "What's your problem, you can still marry someone as long as they're black". How about the right to marry who you love? THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHT!!! This is not something to be determined by the right wing religious majority. DO YOU GET THAT?<BR/><BR/>Fourth-IT IS A CIVIL RIGHTS ISSSUE. PERIOD. WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. It may be hard for you to believe, but blacks are not the only people who ever suffered on this planet. You may have done some research on minority status qualifications, but you did not do ANY research into what it is like to be gay in this world. <BR/><BR/>Just to educate you, sexual orientation is NOT A CHOICE. Is is something you are born with. You may not agree with this, but you are not gay (or so you say as you spend your time visiting gay sites saying "nigga please"). So, how would you know what it feels like to be gay?<BR/><BR/>Therefore, to be discriminated against and told you can't marry the person you love because of something you were born with is no different than being being discriminated against because of color or gender. It is NO different. <BR/><BR/>Women are called a minority. They are roughly 50% of the population. They had been denied the right to vote. Think about it. If this had been put a vote, do you think that men(the only voters at the time) would have voted to give women that right? NO, they wouldn't have. They would have used the bible to say that women are the property of men and are to obey men. Luckily this wasn't put to a popular vote. <BR/><BR/>Blacks did not have the right to vote. If this had been put to vote in the South, they still wouldn't be voting. DO YOU SEE THAT?<BR/><BR/>FIRST CRITERION- Should have experienced a history of severe societal oppression. <BR/><BR/>Okay- do you think we don't fit that criteria? Are you out of your mind? We are the only group I can think of that practically all religions shun. We were rounded up by nazis just like the Jews. We are the only group I know of who are routinely turned away by their families just for being who they are through no fault or choice of their own. For all of history we have had to hide our selves away in fear and shame, mostly do to religious based bigotry, ignorance and the threat of violence. Gays are bashed in this world both verbally and physically every day. The " MORAL majority" does not care and there are no strong laws against this.<BR/><BR/>FIRST CRITERION CONTINUED.... lack of opportunity to obtain income, education or cultural opportunity. <BR/><BR/> It may appear that we had all of these. Yes, as long as no one asks and we don't tell. If we live shameful lives and hide ourselves and tell lies, we can survive. Throughout history, homosexuals have been fired from jobs (and still are) just for being who they are. They definitely don't get hired in a majority of situations if they are honest about themselves.<BR/><BR/>I would think you could see how wrong that is. Your argument seems akin to: Light skinned blacks who could pass for white never had any problems so why are the rest of them complaining.<BR/><BR/>CRITERION 2- POLITICAL POWERLESSNESS- We do have the right to vote. So do blacks and women these days, but they are still minority groups. They haven't given up that status. Latinos and Asians consider themselves as oppressed minorities. How are gays more politically powerful than any of the aforementioned groups? I would say we are way more underrepresented in government than any other group. Unless you consider all of the closeted gay Senators and Representatives who have marriages of convenience. But, unfortunately they never fight for us because they are too afraid of the truth about themselves being public knowledge. Maybe they are afraid, because they are aware of the unbridled prejudice that they would face and the certain loss of their jobs. Jobs they never would would have been elected to if they had been honest about their sexuality.<BR/><BR/>I think that takes care of "oppression, economic means and political powerlessness".<BR/><BR/>CRITERION THREE- obvious, IMMUTABLE, "OR" distinguishing CHARACTERISTICS "like" race, color, gender or national origin.<BR/><BR/>Well, as we all know some of us are more obvious than others, Next.<BR/><BR/>IMMUTABLE CHARACTERISTICS- Our sexuality is immutable. this is a genealogical fact of life for homosexuals. "Immutable" is something that cannot be changed or altered. That 's us.<BR/><BR/>The most important word here is "OR". If the group in question does not satisfy the "obvious" or "immutable" qualifications, THEN they move on to race, color etc. <BR/><BR/>BUT, WE ALREADY QUALIFY, so we don't have to worry about that part.<BR/><BR/>Maybe you don't think of Jews as a minority. They are not a race. Its a religion. A CHOICE plain and simple. As with people of all religions, they are not obvious and have NO immutable characteristics. How do they fit any of the three criteria? Yet, their are laws that have been enacted to protect people from being discriminated against based on their religion, WHICH IS A CHOICE. But, choice or not, they DESERVE that protection.<BR/><BR/>The only real criterion Jews meet would be a history of societal oppression. They are a larger group internationally than homosexuals, but percentage wise have not suffered greater oppression than gays. They never have to fear the day their families find out that they are Jewish. How many black kids do you know that live in total fear of telling their family " Mom, Dad.... I'm black".<BR/><BR/>The reason you don't like having black people equated to gays is that you think gays are not equal to you as human beings. You, along with many members of certain minority groups, enjoy having someone to push around who is less powerful than you are. YOU ARE PREJUDICED. YOU are part of THE PROBLEM and not part of the solution. This country is founded in HARD WON equality. You of all people should know that. <BR/><BR/>SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR/><BR/>By the way- Just what are you "going through" right now as a minority group?<BR/><BR/>Oprah is the highest paid woman on the planet. BLACK and a WOMAN.<BR/><BR/>Barack Obama IS PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!! BLACK MAN as PRESIDENT OF THE WHOLE COUNTRY.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-50654163972875215682008-12-11T13:32:00.000-05:002008-12-11T13:32:00.000-05:00In order to have something taken away, it has to g...In order to have something taken away, it has to given in the first place. <BR/><BR/>Besides, you haven't had the priviledge to marry taken away from you. You can marry, as long as it is the opposite sex, by definition. Nuptials between homosexuals is different, just as their relationships are. I'm not saying they are wrong, or even not worthy of recognition in the government, they are just different therefore deserve a different title, as with everything. <BR/><BR/>Why not create a new way to unite in monogamy and call it something else and heterosexual couples would not be able to participate in it? It would be distinctly a homosexual experience that would be equivalent to marriage? Why make one better than the other? Why can't they be equal and different in their own right. We respect you, you respect us. <BR/><BR/>And Civil Rights issue? Nigga please. I'm sorry, you can't compare what is happening to you to what happened to my ancestors and what us and the other minorities are going through. <BR/><BR/>I did my research, take a look at these criterias that qualify to be a distinct minority status in America. NONE OF WHICH THE HOMOSEXUALS FIT.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Shortly after passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the U.S. Supreme Court began to issue (and reaffirm) a series of Civil Rights decisions which soon added limitations (to counterbalance the incentives) to the process of seeking suspect class status. In essence, the High Court put a "fence" around suspect status, in the interest of ensuring that the status remain open only to disadvantaged, politically powerless classes that truly needed government protection. The High Court did so by establishing three criteria[16] by which prospective suspect classes might be evaluated, and by which some failing to meet the qualifications might be fenced out if necessary:<BR/><BR/> Criterion #1: Prospective suspect classes should have experienced a history of severe societal oppression, evidenced by an entire "class-averaged" lack of ability to obtain economic mean income, adequate education, or cultural opportunity.<BR/><BR/> Criterion #2: Prospective suspect classes should, "averaged" as entire classes, clearly demonstrate political powerlessness.<BR/><BR/> Criterion #3: Prospective suspect classes should exhibit obvious, immutable, or distinguishing characteristics, like race, color, gender or national origin, that define them as discrete groups."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com