tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post8725380982114345607..comments2024-02-26T02:02:51.364-05:00Comments on Queers United: Prop 8 Rally At Mormon Temple in Los Angeles Nov. 6thQueers Unitedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comBlogger195125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-89048614668582877412008-12-02T16:09:00.000-05:002008-12-02T16:09:00.000-05:00checkout www.intolerantgays.blogspot.com voice yo...checkout www.intolerantgays.blogspot.com voice your opinion!VoiceWithoutViolencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08521235817355917063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-68041018644565946932008-11-18T23:54:00.000-05:002008-11-18T23:54:00.000-05:00The Mormon Church has a huge Christmas Devotional ...The Mormon Church has a huge Christmas Devotional on December 7, 2008, at 6:00 p.m. MST. That is where we should protest! Bring it to their homes, their pageants and they will rue the day.Antinous Mondragonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07747984743872362248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-65193446993772905422008-11-17T15:48:00.000-05:002008-11-17T15:48:00.000-05:00No one has said you don't have the right to protes...No one has said you don't have the right to protest or boycott anything. Just be sure you know what you are talking about. Hypocrisy spews from the ignorant.<BR/><BR/>Spend your money in Utah? What kind of lame comment is that? Tourism dollars are crucial to California's economy and given the state of yours, I'm sure your local government disagrees with your attitude.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-46568438518609134982008-11-17T15:40:00.000-05:002008-11-17T15:40:00.000-05:00Those of you who think the LDS church had that muc...Those of you who think the LDS church had that much influence over Proposition 8 need to grow up! <BR/><BR/>The LDS Church's California membership population is only 2% of California's total population. And of that 2%, less than half are old enough to vote. And of those old enough to vote, not all of them did. And of those who did, not all voted against Propostion 8.<BR/><BR/>You are angry because someone else exercised their right to vote for something they beleived it...just as many of you did.<BR/><BR/>Your criticism of the LDS church is bigoted at worst and hypocritical at best.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-10869894836453130812008-11-15T21:56:00.000-05:002008-11-15T21:56:00.000-05:00LOOK WHAT IS HAPPENING! HAS THE LORD SPOKEN?!LOOK WHAT IS HAPPENING! HAS THE LORD SPOKEN?!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-20322670075918626122008-11-13T21:06:00.000-05:002008-11-13T21:06:00.000-05:00Just so you know, wikipedia says:Religious organiz...Just so you know, wikipedia says:<BR/><BR/>Religious organizations that supported Proposition 8 include the Roman Catholic Church, Knights of Columbus, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, California's largest, also endorsed the measure. The Bishops of the California Catholic Conference released a statement supporting the proposition.<BR/><BR/>Lets see some protests at cathedrals and synagogues..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-77577589050923104632008-11-11T20:30:00.000-05:002008-11-11T20:30:00.000-05:00My dad pointed out that the Yes on 8 ads did a ver...My dad pointed out that the Yes on 8 ads did a very good job about not making it about gay people but making it seem that other people's rights would be taken away, for example the right for churches to refuse to marry gay couples. We know that is not true but I feel targeting one particular religion for protests is really dangerous and leads to more fear. "Look: they do want us to have to change our church." The truth is religious groups do have the right to their views, even the offensive ones. Those views shouldn't become laws though. I just don't see how protesting outside the Mormon Temple is at all helpful. It seems petty and mean and certainly won't gain any sympathy. And that's what we're gonna need. We need people who are a little unsure and not crazy about the idea of homosexuality to realize they have nothing to be afraid of; that letting gay people marry won't affect their life AT ALL. Martin Luther King's strategy was rooted in awakening the sympathy of the majority to the suffering/discrimination of a minority. Let's keep this a legal issue. Protest in public places but not at people's place of worship.Wendy Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10328543923627296282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-12646830408677859302008-11-10T15:02:00.000-05:002008-11-10T15:02:00.000-05:001- The mormon church did not pay a cent to pass th...1- The mormon church did not pay a cent to pass the proposition. The money was raised from donors (a good number who were mormon)<BR/><BR/>2. Democracy is about the voice of the people. Don't cry because you lost, work on changing the voice of the people.<BR/><BR/>3. Marriage isn't a right. No one is impeding on relationships or even seeking to dismantle Civil Unions, which provide most of the exact same rights as marriage (at least in California)<BR/><BR/>4. Everyone is jumping to the conclusion as to why religions went for this proposition, but noone is actually discussing the issue with them. This shows complete ignorance on the side of the homosexual community, and hurts not helps their cause. Following Ghandi's example might help you more than following a communistic approach.<BR/><BR/>5. Discrimination laws are at the core of the problem. The situation in Massachusettes between separation of church and state through discrimination laws has pushed religions to react to this. Maybe seek to ensure that descrimination laws can't be used against bishops/priests/etc.. who do not want to marry gay couples, violating their own moral beliefs.<BR/><BR/>6. When I read the information posted on here, I'm surprised that any of you can accuse the Mormons of bigotry. The majority of these comments are bigoted against the Mormons.<BR/><BR/>7. Let people disagree with you without ramming bigotry down their throats. Silencing the opposition only strengthens the opposition's resolve.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-24774038952016650512008-11-09T15:40:00.000-05:002008-11-09T15:40:00.000-05:00I just wanted to say that I am a straight woman an...I just wanted to say that I am a straight woman and I fully believe in EQUAL rights for gay couples including the title of marriage. I hope you all attain the respect you deserve and I am sincerely sorry for the ignorance that straight people have demonstrated in California this past few months and especially on November 4th. I am a college graduate from UCSD in biology and also raised catholic. I truly believe that the people judging you will be judged in the end and they will finally know that they were wrong. Stay strong. They can live with the hate in their hearts and God knows it very well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-35343386267203876612008-11-08T20:07:00.000-05:002008-11-08T20:07:00.000-05:00I have just deleted a violent and homophobic comme...I have just deleted a violent and homophobic comment placed here. No such comments will be tolerated from either side.Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-56097340050191337552008-11-08T19:23:00.000-05:002008-11-08T19:23:00.000-05:00There may be 749,490 Mormons in Cali. Why was mor...There may be 749,490 Mormons in Cali. Why was more than half the money coming in from Utah? Spend your money in Utah. The Mormon Church should have thought twice before hurting gays and lesbians, now we have the right to protest and boycot all we want. It's democracy, right?Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-846965063484196362008-11-08T18:37:00.000-05:002008-11-08T18:37:00.000-05:00The LDS church website lists 749,490 members in Ca...The LDS church website lists 749,490 members in California. The LA Times lists 10,357,002 total votes on Prop 8 with 5,424,916 votes in favor of Prop 8. Why is it the mormon (LDS) church is being targeted when they represent a mere 7.24% of the total prop 8 vote, and 13.82% of the YES vote on Prop 8? <BR/><BR/>California does not record religious affiliation when tracking donations, therefore, there is no way and dollar amount can be accurately attributed to any one church organization.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-62654976175857761452008-11-08T18:34:00.000-05:002008-11-08T18:34:00.000-05:001- LDS Temples are not some sort of church headqua...1- LDS Temples are not some sort of church headquarter building, they do not "teach" anything inside of them, they perform ordinances like family sealings and marriages. Thats it. <BR/><BR/>2- The temple is not open for ordinances on Sundays, only the visitor center. <BR/><BR/>3- The Temple is not a church building, they do not hold church services inside them- no sacrament, no sunday school, no teaching. <BR/><BR/>4- The LDS Church used absoultely no money on prop 8. Any funds that supported this cause were made by individuals or businesses (not owned by the church itself). <BR/><BR/>5- Yes, members were encouraged to exercise their political rights and campaign and vote, as they always are in every election. The same rights entitled to everyone in the US, and that everyone posting on here was free to exercise on November 4th.<BR/><BR/>6- If you have a problem with the amendment, why are you not bringing it up with the proper people? Ie, gov't? They are the ones who allowed this measure to be put on the ballot. They are the ones who need to be spoken to if you really want change (unless you just want to vent your anger and hate, then by all means, go boycott at the Temple, it won't change anything about prop 8)<BR/><BR/>7- I really really really don't understand how you people think this is a reasonable reaction. This is how democracy works, you follow certain rules to get a measure on the ballet, and you campaign, and majority rules. Unfortunately there will always be half the people left unhappy because they didn't get the vote they wanted. That doesn't mean you get to overturn it. Its exactly the same as all these other people who are trying to Obama out of office because they don't "like it". This is how democracy works. If you want to make a change, you have to do it through the proper channels. Prop 8 did this. If you dont agree, bring it up with the CA gov't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-78843187808886280762008-11-08T14:13:00.000-05:002008-11-08T14:13:00.000-05:00I speak to all people who are acting so hatefully ...I speak to all people who are acting so hatefully because of proposition 8 being passed. I am writing to defend why I supported and still support Prop 8. First let’s get this right that this proposition is not a matter of someone’s ‘rights.’ It is a matter of what IS right. Homosexual people have all the rights that we do, but that does not mean they will be allowed to completely redefine marriage just because that is their view and their desire. Suppose that a 16yr old girl wanted to marry her 30 year old boyfriend. They are madly in ‘love.’ They are each other’s soul mates. Why shouldn’t they have the right to marry when they are in love? What if a colleague wanted to marry both men that she is in love with? Isn’t it her human ‘right’ to marry them both if she so desires? Again, these are not matters of a person’s ‘rights,’ but what is right and what is not.<BR/><BR/>Now, I am Catholic, and yet I also feel to defend Mormons. I stood with many to support Prop 8, and some of them are my very good friends. And just like I am not what you have tried to paint them as, neither are they. We are NOT prejudice, evil, mean, or belligerent just because we are standing up for what we believe in, just like homosexuals are. But Mormons are not the only ones who fought to get Prop 8 passed, and yet they are unfairly being targeted. Not that I want our churches to be the target for hate crimes, but why do the Mormons get all the credit when they are not the only ones who fought for this to pass? What has caused this hatred to be targeted against them just because they are defending what they believe in, just like you guys are defending what you believe in? Me and the Mormons have just as much right as you do to defend what we believe. What do you think we (all the supporters of Prop 8) and the Mormons would do if the roles were reversed and Prop 8 was not passed? Do you think we would have all sorts of riots, that we would go out and target all of you and do hate crimes against you? Do you think we would so unfairly target a group of people just because you have different views than us and yet you were the majority? Do you think we would slander your names, spread all sorts of lies, and call for you to be targeted for all sorts of crimes? It is absolutely absurd and completely wrong, and YOU should be the ones who are shamed for what you are doing. When people look at what is going on in the news, who do you think they will see as the wrong-doers the people who are being so prejudicial? Who do you think they will see as being so ignorant and hypocritical? You people call for love and tolerance of your beliefs and for your own ‘rights’ to be protected, and yet look at how you are so wrongfully targeting a group of people because of their beliefs and because of how they used their rights of democracy to defend their beliefs. It is sickening and the most hypocritical I have ever seen anyone be. Again, YOU should be ashamed of how intolerant and how hypocritical you are acting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-6404558978959874372008-11-08T03:40:00.000-05:002008-11-08T03:40:00.000-05:00Check this video out. But they don't hate! Only Mo...Check this video out. But they don't hate! Only Mormons hate, right??<BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bqvqbcULoMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-18803869457196576402008-11-08T01:46:00.000-05:002008-11-08T01:46:00.000-05:00The LDS chuch does not hate you or anyone. It is ...The LDS chuch does not hate you or anyone. It is you who hate them. The money that went to prop 8 never went through the LDS church's hands. By calling them "Mormons" you guys are being hateful because that is the name they got from the people who persecute them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-85349926160922291832008-11-07T23:17:00.000-05:002008-11-07T23:17:00.000-05:00Do y'all want to see how nasty these people got to...Do y'all want to see how nasty these people got towards the mormons? Check it out. You are making yourselves look soooo bad right now:<BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxagcNFyHycAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-22260973599803640412008-11-07T16:54:00.000-05:002008-11-07T16:54:00.000-05:00I live right next to the Temple. I'm a Mormon, bu...I live right next to the Temple. I'm a Mormon, but NO longer practicing Mormonism. I still respect the Mormons, and have no issue with them. I voted NO on Prop 8. I felt horrible that it passed! I was hoping that your protest would reach out to the hearts of those that voted YES, but I saw your demonstration last night, and it was UGLY! I heard a women scream "STOP THE HATE!" with more HATE coming from her mouth! I think you would reach more people through a silent protest, like Martin Luther King. Your protest shouldn't be about disrespecting others, or blocking traffic... i think that hurt your cause! You say it's about civil rights, then keep it about that. Don't have signs saying "MORMONS GO TO HELL!" Is that suppose to win them over, isn't that what you are trying to do? Help them to understand, and to respect you! <BR/><BR/>You wasted your time last night! So get it together for your next protest, and try to bring compassion, and love, and reach their hearts!! <BR/>Good luck :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-79223865739558219552008-11-07T15:08:00.000-05:002008-11-07T15:08:00.000-05:00The one in Los Angeles is supposed to be huge, the...The one in Los Angeles is supposed to be huge, the one in Silver Lake. I heard possibly thousands.Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-61026054142732039652008-11-07T15:07:00.000-05:002008-11-07T15:07:00.000-05:00Straight against 8 -This is what I have so far for...Straight against 8 -This is what I have so far for Saturday. <BR/><BR/><BR/>No On Prop 8 Protest - San Diego/Hillcrest, 12noon<BR/>1st & University, San Diego (map)<BR/>Marching to 30th in North Park.<BR/><BR/>Huntington Beach<BR/>No On Prop 8 Protest Rally - Huntington Beach, 2pm<BR/>Huntington Beach Pier, Huntington Beach<BR/><BR/>Woodland Hills<BR/>No On Prop 8 Rally In the Valley, Saturday 11/8 4:00pm Corner of Oxnard and De Soto Ave, Woodland Hills CA 91367<BR/><BR/>Laguna Beach<BR/>No On Prop 8 Protest March & Vigil - Laguna Beach, Saturday 11/8 5:30pm<BR/>City Hall 505 Forest Avenue, Laguna Beach<BR/><BR/>No More Hate, Fight Prop 8 Rally/Protest<BR/>6:00 PM Gather at Sunset Junction in Silver Lake<BR/>Corner of Sunset Blvd. and Santa Monica Blvd, Los Angeles 90029<BR/>For more info call 213-251-1025 or email answerla@answerla.org<BR/>Click here for fliers, directions and info.<BR/><BR/>Proposition 8 Protest/ Candlelight Vigil<BR/>7:00PM Laguna Beach City Hall<BR/>Parking available at Act V parking lot at 1900 Laguna Canyon Road - shuttle busses will be running every 15 minutes. Bring signs, flags, candles (or flashlights), whistles, and dress for a cool evening.Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-85968672225929244922008-11-07T13:40:00.000-05:002008-11-07T13:40:00.000-05:00So any news of LA protests on Saturday?So any news of LA protests on Saturday?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-1822156534347981162008-11-07T12:57:00.000-05:002008-11-07T12:57:00.000-05:00Anonymous there are many check out http://queersun...Anonymous there are many check out <A HREF="http://queersunited.blogspot.com/2008/11/listing-of-prop-8-protests-and-rallies.html" REL="nofollow">http://queersunited.blogspot.com/2008/11/listing-of-prop-8-protests-and-rallies.html</A>Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-47290721915664141262008-11-07T12:55:00.000-05:002008-11-07T12:55:00.000-05:00Is another rally planned? I'm so bummed I missed t...Is another rally planned? I'm so bummed I missed this one ;(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-58093587850863417082008-11-07T04:39:00.000-05:002008-11-07T04:39:00.000-05:00Have any of you considered just assimilating into ...Have any of you considered just assimilating into a community instead of forcing it on to a community? <BR/><BR/>It seems to have worked for most groups that are part of the USA...some have taken longer than others but it works. <BR/><BR/>The whole demonstrating in the streets with hateful signs just remind me of the Hispanics last year with "Si se puede" "We can do it" and their Mexican flags. That didn't go over very well. Not a lot of sympathy for them after that demonstration. <BR/><BR/>Consider quieting down and behaving properly without inflamatory & insulting words. Consider behaving like you belong to the community. Consider behaving differently than was shown on tv today. Consider getting rid of your "gayness" parades. Consider acting like you belong.<BR/><BR/>As for the mormon thing, they are use to criticism, so your words fall on deaf ears.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-90687783606516963432008-11-07T02:46:00.000-05:002008-11-07T02:46:00.000-05:00Okay, if you take some time and read this with a r...Okay, if you take some time and read this with a right mind and not one of anger.. you'll see where my church stands on same-gender attraction and what the leaders of our church our teaching us. This is information that is out there for anyone to read. Maybe after reading it, you can understand why most of us still have compassion for gays and lesbians. We don't hate you.. we hate the sin. Please take time to read. And if you are prayerful, please do so before reading it.. invite the spirit of truth to come in and you'll see what we see.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for listening.<BR/><BR/>http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=43786e9ce9b1c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1<BR/><BR/>PS: If you have trouble following the link (not sure how it'll post), copy the whole link into Notepad, take off WORD WRAP and then select it from there (copy/paste) into Address area on your browser.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com