tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post3981917123169042666..comments2024-02-26T02:02:51.364-05:00Comments on Queers United: Mormon Machine Working Against Civil Unions in IllinoisQueers Unitedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-77979655895591618452009-03-07T18:19:00.000-05:002009-03-07T18:19:00.000-05:00Typical mormon talking points anonymous. Are you ...Typical mormon talking points anonymous. Are you typing this from your Ward?<BR/><BR/><BR/>You belittle Bishop Church as if he was some minor person akin to the janitor at the stake center.<BR/><BR/>"How dare the state deny two consenting cousins or siblings from marrying!"<BR/><BR/>Have you even been to Georgia?<BR/><BR/>"If these “Civil Unions” are allowed, then Polygamy should also be completely legal. "<BR/><BR/>Hmmm... the bible supports polygamy. Its currently practiced around the world. Spiritual polygamy is still practiced in the Mormon church. For example, if you are a mormon male and your wife dies and you remarry, in Mormon heaven you have two wives. (FYI: Mormons don't believe in "till death do you part..)<BR/><BR/>All your supposed charity has an ulterior motive: to convert people to Mormonism. You don't do it for charities sake, but to better your church in the eyes of those you help and to have the opportunity to talk to them about joining the mormon church. You are no better than scientologists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-16541525679230041872009-03-06T00:36:00.000-05:002009-03-06T00:36:00.000-05:00A statement released Wednesday by the LDS Church's...A statement released Wednesday by the LDS Church's Public Affairs Office said the e-mail was not part of a coordinated effort but an isolated act.<BR/><BR/>"As is widely known, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes in the sanctity of traditional marriage," the statement said. "The Church has not taken a position on any legislation currently being considered by the Illinois State Legislature. The Church did not send an e-mail to its members in regards to House Bill 2234, although a false report to the contrary has been circulated. An e-mail was sent from a local Illinois church leader to his congregation — one of 129 congregations in the state — who was free to express his own views."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-46182028984029585602009-03-05T13:34:00.000-05:002009-03-05T13:34:00.000-05:00Why stop at polygamy? How dare the state deny two ...Why stop at polygamy? How dare the state deny two consenting cousins or siblings from marrying! Isn't it just all about love? Don't I have rights? Why can't a brother marry his sister (or his brother or his mother for that matter)?<BR/><BR/>Either you can put certain restrictions and qualifications upon marriage, or you can't. Gay marriage advocates who say marriage shouldn't be restricted on gender, but should on family relationship, number of spouses, age, or other grounds are hypocrites. In reality, they just don't like where the line is drawn, so they're arguing that there should be a line. Deep down inside, I suspect that most think there should be a line, so long as it's just behind them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-57698719747543355872009-03-05T10:27:00.000-05:002009-03-05T10:27:00.000-05:00At least now when I am applying for jobs and schoo...At least now when I am applying for jobs and schools I can change my gender so that it is easier to get in!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-59290768236766320672009-03-05T10:26:00.000-05:002009-03-05T10:26:00.000-05:00If these “Civil Unions” are allowed, then Polygamy...If these “Civil Unions” are allowed, then Polygamy should also be completely legal. I strongly oppose gay marriage, and Polygamy, but if we are going to have one then I don’t understand why the other can still be illegal. Fair is only Fair, if gay marriage becomes legal then everyone should fully support Polygamy, including me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-83764577146974402312009-03-04T22:08:00.000-05:002009-03-04T22:08:00.000-05:00Anonymous typed, What a spiteful angry people you ...Anonymous typed, What a spiteful angry people you are. Who CARES if a couple of puffs (Sorry) want to get sweaty with each other? I don't personally like it but it's NOT my business and guess what it is NOT your business either.<BR/><BR/>Sins, transgressions and judgements are the business of the saints.<BR/><BR/>Doctrine and Coveants 64:38 (The saints will judge all things pertaining to Zion.)<BR/>Behold, I, the Lord, have made my church in these last days like unto a judge sitting on a hill, or in a high place, to judge the nations.<BR/>For it shall come to pass that the inhabitants of Zion shall judge all things pertaining to Zion.<BR/><BR/>Judgement will be given to the saints (Revelation 20:4; Daniel 7:22):<BR/>Revelation 20:4<BR/>And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.<BR/><BR/>Daniel 7:22<BR/>Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.<BR/><BR/>The saints shall judge the world:<BR/>1 Corinthians 6:2<BR/>Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?<BR/><BR/>Doctrine & Covenants 88:81 (we are to warn our neighbour of the judgements to come)<BR/>Behold, I sent you out to testify and warn the people, and it becometh every man who hath been warned to warn his neighbor.<BR/><BR/>Ezekiel 3:18-21 (it is our duty to warn or we will go to hell)<BR/>When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.<BR/>Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.<BR/>Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.<BR/>Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.<BR/><BR/>1 Timothy 4:16 (we are saved because we did our duty)<BR/>Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.Doctrine & Covenants 88:81 (we are to warn our neighbour of the judgements to come)<BR/>Behold, I sent you out to testify and warn the people, and it becometh every man who hath been warned to warn his neighbor.<BR/><BR/>Ezekiel 3:18-21 (it is our duty to warn or we will go to hell)<BR/>When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.<BR/>Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.<BR/>Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.<BR/>Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.<BR/><BR/>1 Timothy 4:16 (we are saved because we did our duty)<BR/>Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-48363224031348971412009-03-04T19:55:00.000-05:002009-03-04T19:55:00.000-05:00In the interest of people not sounding like idiots...In the interest of people not sounding like idiots whining about a church’s tax status, let me clarify a few legal points. There is nothing illegal about a religious organization (or other non-profit) being politically involved in any issue.<BR/><BR/>Churches are classified under the Internal Revenue Code as 501(c)(3) organizations. That section reads in relevant part as follows:<BR/><BR/>Sec. 501: Exempt from tax on corporations, certain trusts, etc.<BR/><BR/>(a) Exemption from taxation<BR/>An organization described in subsection (c) . . . shall be exempt from taxation under this subtitle . . . .<BR/> . . .<BR/>(c) List of exempt organizations<BR/>The following organizations are referred to in subsection (a):<BR/> . . .<BR/>(3) Corporations, and any community chest, fund, or foundation, organized and operated exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific, testing for public safety, literary, or educational purposes, . . . no substantial part of the activities of which is carrying on propaganda, or otherwise attempting, to influence legislation . . . , and which does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.<BR/><BR/>The vast majority of churches in American are classified by the IRS as 501(c)(3) exempt organizations. They don’t pay taxes, and contributions to them are tax deductable. Under this status:<BR/>(1) A “substantial” part of their activities may not be attempting to influence legislation; and <BR/>(2) They may not campaign on behalf of a particular candidate for public office.<BR/><BR/>If those opposing the LDS Church wish to argue that the Church devotes a “substantial” part of its activities to influencing legislation or campaigning on behalf of a particular candidate, that is a legitimate legal position. However, let’s be clear: It is not illegal for a religious organization to speak out on a moral or political issue. It is not illegal for a religious organization to actively campaign on a particular issue. When people come on the internet and claim that tax-exempt status should be revoked because a church was involved in a political issue, they look like idiots.<BR/><BR/>Now, a look at the LDS Church’s “substantial” activities: The LDS Church is a worldwide organization overseeing 27,827 congregations in 177 countries. It operates several universities, a chain of thrift stores, a social services organization (which provides adoption services and family counseling), a expansive missionary program, a renowned genealogy and family history program with over 4,000 open-to-the-public centers worldwide, a humanitarian service program that responds worldwide to natural disasters and other emergencies, and one of the most successful welfare programs in the world (which provides food for the poor and job training and placement services). The Church has given over $1 billion in cash and material assistance through its worldwide humanitarian aid program since 1985.<BR/><BR/>The LDS Church directly contributed less than $5,000 to the Prop 8 campaign. It also strongly encouraged its members to be involved in the campaign individually. Nevertheless, to argue that a “substantial” part of the Church’s activities are attempting to influence legislation is a laughable position.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-29485924924322131082009-03-04T19:10:00.000-05:002009-03-04T19:10:00.000-05:00This is clearly a local directive. Lots of people ...This is clearly a local directive. Lots of people have access to sending emails at the local level. Even people well below the bishop level (which isn't that high on the hierarchy) can do so.<BR/><BR/>A more authoritative description of the LDS view of gay issues would be found at the main site. The part about civil unions is towards the end.<BR/><BR/>"PUBLIC AFFAIRS: Would you extend the same argument against same-gender marriage to civil unions or some kind of benefits short of marriage?"<BR/><BR/>e.g. http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/public-issues/same-gender-attractionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-11744192483427045292009-03-04T18:04:00.000-05:002009-03-04T18:04:00.000-05:00Uhhh, queers are cool dude!RTwww.privacy-center.pr...Uhhh, queers are cool dude!<BR/><BR/>RT<BR/>www.privacy-center.pro.tcHarold Fowlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08018983019271676117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-48200855879371870312009-03-04T17:48:00.000-05:002009-03-04T17:48:00.000-05:00Go back to your hair salons and design studios peo...Go back to your hair salons and design studios people. This letter is clearly a fake.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-15157651639201632062009-03-04T17:35:00.000-05:002009-03-04T17:35:00.000-05:00FYI, emails can go out via a Ward's website withou...FYI, emails can go out via a Ward's website without a Bishop's (or higher) approval. Most Ward websites have administrators as well as other clerical staff, who all have access to send out email via the website. <BR/><BR/>But regardless, of who authorized the email, it is important to note that official Church policy and communication is never broadcast in this manner. This email should not be construed as an official position of, or call to action by, the LDS Church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-8276458467318257442009-03-04T16:22:00.000-05:002009-03-04T16:22:00.000-05:00Sheesh people, this is one ward in an area that I'...Sheesh people, this is one ward in an area that I'm guessing is VERY conservative even by LDS standards. Until something speaking against Civil Unions is posted on LDS.org I wouldn't take it seriously. Also remember that a "Bishop" in the LDS church is over about 300-500 members, tops. So this isn't coming from the head of the church for Illinois or anything like that. Heck this Bishop is probably going to get in trouble for doing this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-32064635856453166032009-03-04T16:07:00.000-05:002009-03-04T16:07:00.000-05:00I'd really like to know why the church thinks this...I'd really like to know why the church thinks this Bill with harm anyone. Beyond the "We don't like it so there!" argument.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-92169772801389628512009-03-04T15:32:00.000-05:002009-03-04T15:32:00.000-05:00The only reasons Gay Marriage is big is because th...The only reasons Gay Marriage is big is because the Gays believe that a man have sex man is correct (Read that Bible Gays). Sorry Gay people your push your crap of Gay Marriage on us that do not believe that Gay Marriage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-74723668724814907882009-03-04T15:29:00.000-05:002009-03-04T15:29:00.000-05:00"As a professional journalist" and you post as ano..."As a professional journalist" and you post as anonymous? I think that means you are retarded square!<BR/><BR/>I know I'm posting as anonymous just to make fun of how stupid you are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-50754465345694192522009-03-04T15:00:00.000-05:002009-03-04T15:00:00.000-05:00As a professional journalist I'm just going to let...As a professional journalist I'm just going to let the blogging world know that the words "According to Wikipedia" mean "I'm a retard." Sorry dude. I wish the internet was the source of truth you think it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-48882619273649850942009-03-04T14:55:00.000-05:002009-03-04T14:55:00.000-05:00I love how this article targets the Mormon church ...I love how this article targets the Mormon church in how they vote against Gay marriage.<BR/>It's not only the Mormons, there are plenty of people that disagree with same-sex marriage that aren't Mormon...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-76058435123566233432009-03-04T14:20:00.000-05:002009-03-04T14:20:00.000-05:00They have the right to be political, but not to tr...They have the right to be political, but not to trick the government into believing they should receive tax-exemption if they use funds and resources to be political.Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-77018368252209010992009-03-04T14:07:00.000-05:002009-03-04T14:07:00.000-05:00Why is it wrong for citizens of this country to be...Why is it wrong for citizens of this country to be involved in local politics. If they have a problem with a bill, then they should voice their opinion. Also, if this email is real, it is only an email from a local leader. This is not an official statement from the LDS church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-88539882516921045592009-03-04T13:41:00.000-05:002009-03-04T13:41:00.000-05:00if this was from the the lds church or an lds war...if this was from the the lds church or an lds ward they wouldnt have referred to themselves as mormonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-77433095781819227102009-03-04T13:29:00.000-05:002009-03-04T13:29:00.000-05:00This religion will implode just like the Republica...This religion will implode just like the Republican party. Love will prevail no matter the gender. Keep the fight strong! Peace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-64471328229023919142009-03-04T13:22:00.000-05:002009-03-04T13:22:00.000-05:00Didn't Joseph Smith claim he could use a "seer sto...Didn't Joseph Smith claim he could use a "seer stone" to do money digging?<BR/><BR/>Joseph Smith claimed an angel told him to dig up some golden plates.<BR/><BR/>According to Wikipedia he married over thirty women, including young teenagers and ten women who were already married to other men.<BR/><BR/><BR/>This is the founder and leader of your church.<BR/><BR/>What would you spiteful LDS folks say to someone today who was married to a bunch of teenaged girls? I know what the local Sheriff would say!<BR/><BR/><BR/>Seriously though; How can you people claim to be so morally self righteous when the founder of your religion was quite into mysticism, "seeing stones", plural marraige, money digging and the like.<BR/><BR/>Your church was quite openly against minorities as well.<BR/><BR/><BR/>What a spiteful angry people you are. Who CARES if a couple of puffs (Sorry) want to get sweaty with each other? I don't personally like it but it's NOT my business and guess what it is NOT your business either.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>The question is not "should gay marriage be illegal?" The question is "why is marraige (a RELIGIOUS institution) even a government function at all?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-58630526983583292342009-03-04T13:13:00.000-05:002009-03-04T13:13:00.000-05:00Gotta love the mormon church pushing their agenda ...Gotta love the mormon church pushing their agenda and bothering people early in the morning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-10940775215828742612009-03-04T13:02:00.000-05:002009-03-04T13:02:00.000-05:00The LDS said it was solely against gay marriage an...The LDS said it was solely against gay marriage and not against civil unions or domestic partnerships when they were against Prop 8. LGBT community members reached out their hands to the LDS and asked them to help pass bills creating civil unions and domestic partnership. Obviously the LDS is lying. <BR/><BR/>Elder L. Whitney Clayton, part of the church's presidency, stated this and also it was outlined on the church's website until it's recent changes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-40919136927099338562009-03-04T12:52:00.000-05:002009-03-04T12:52:00.000-05:00Contact the media. Let them know what the church i...Contact the media. Let them know what the church is doing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com